My 13 year old female husky/border collie cross is incontinent. She was responding to a very long time to phenylpropanolamine twice a day and then it didn't work anymore. We took her to the vet and he put her on DES. She took one capsule per day for three days in a row and then she is supposed to take one a week from now on. It's not working at all. it's very sad, we have old porus hardwood floors and she is wreaking havoc on them when we let her in.

I'm just wondering if anyone has some ideas of how to treat her now. I read the thread on how to get rid of dog pee on the carpets. I'm going to go get some natures miracle tomorrow, but what else can I do for her.? Do they make doggie diapers for incontinence? We are drowning in pee, she is a big girl 89 pounds so she puddles lakes. She is completely unaware until it's too late. Merry
Do they make doggie diapers for incontinence? We are drowning in pee, she is a big girl 89 pounds so she puddles lakes. She is completely unaware until it's too late. Merry

I'd call the vet back and have another discussion. "Puddles lakes" doesn't sound to me like regular incontinence. Yes, there are "diapers" available. Did you test for UTI?
We have a dog who had been on DES for quite some time with good results. (That's my experience with it). I hope you figure something out, because I know you love your girl.
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for incontinence? We are drowning in pee, she is a big girl 89 pounds so she puddles lakes. She is completely unaware until it's too late. Merry I'd call the vet back and have another discussion. "Puddles lakes" doesn't sound to me like regular incontinence. Yes, there are "diapers" available. Did you test for UTI?
We have a dog who had been on DES for quite some time with good results. (That's my experience with it). I hope you figure something out, because I know you love your girl.
Thanks for the info. I will call the vet on Monday and go get her some diapers tomorrow in the mean time. Fortunately she really prefers to be outside most of the time, but she wants in if there's thunder or gun shots and the kids accross the canyon from us have their bb guns out tonight. She's on her blankee at the moment, but the house smells like a urinal yuk
Merry
I'd call the vet back and have another discussion. "Puddles lakes" doesn't sound to me like regular incontinence.

Puddle lakes aren't uncommon for spay incontinence, but it's usually more responsive to PPA or DES. I think the diaper suggestion is a good one, as well as restricting access to some areas of the house. I didn't go the diaper route with Greta but there were some parts of the house she couldn't use. I'd think about talking to a specialist - it can be really frustrating.

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I'm walking the dog, all day and all night
My 13 year old female husky/border collie cross is incontinent.

I'm currently in the same situation with my 13 year old smooth collie, Zeffie. We (the vet and I) are playing around with combos of medicines: PPA, over-the-counter Sudafed which does the same thing as PPA, and DES. None of them work by themselves but we find that in a combination we get a reduction in leakage.
We also limited Zeffie's access to the parts of the house that have carpet or wood floors. Our large kitchen has sheet vinyl which is very easy to clean - we put in baby gates in our kitchen doorways and she stays in there at night and when the house is quiet. She has an assortment of beds in there all of which are machine washable (such as
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1B921806 ). I've a double layer of eggcrate foam underneath for added comfort. I need to buy or make a waterproof cover for the eggcrate because I'm discovering that it's a royal pain to rinse off and dry. I'm also thinking of getting a "Perla bed": ( http://makeashorterlink.com/?C5D926806 ) and make washable cushions to fit.
Even though Zeffie is bright and with-it for an elderly dog I think she's getting absent minded about remembering to urinate when put in the backyard. Instead of peeing when let out, she'll go to one of her favorite hanging-out spots and watch neighborhood activity. I'm still experimenting with methods to manage this problem but I'm now taking Zeffie for small walks in the neighborhood, in the morning and at night before bed. I've noticed that she will start walking down the street and then suddenly realizes that she has to pee.

Walking her in our backyard doesn't do the trick - I think something about "going for a walk" triggers urination in Zeffie. Our little strolls get her emptied out and I'm finding that she leaks MUCH less on days/nights when she has had her walkies. It's kind of a hassle to find the time to take her for these pokey jaunts but once we get started it's pleasant to mosey along with my old gal, Zeffie.
Another thing is that Zeffie is weak in the rear (she has DM - Degenerative Mylopathy - sp?) and I've noticed she often gets very shaky when crouching down to pee. I think she's a little afraid that she'll fall backwards. A little walk helps her loosen up her joints and take lots of "little pees" which is easier for her to do.We have bought "hot pants" - pants for dogs designed to hold sanitary napkins. See: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S101213E4 . I found the sizes run small and the "Large" ones - meant for 55 - 75 lb dogs (Zeffie is 68-70 lbs but with a "robust" build - i.e., big boned for a collie and plump in her old age) were waay too tight. The "extra large" fits Zeffie much better and she doesn't seem to mind wearing them. We have used the hot pants occasionally (when we visited the extended family on a long road trip to the Midwest) but the biggest problem is that we forget that she has them on.

The hot pants are black, Zeffie is a tri colored collie (black/tan with white which means her rump is black) and several times we have let her outside without remembering to take them off. They can hold incontinent leakage but not an entire bladder worth of urine. Fortunately they are easily washable.
Good luck with your old lady dog,
Chris, her two smoothies, one visiting golden pup and the foster kitten trio:
Zeffie, Pablo, Nicky, Black, Tortie & Tiger
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My 13 year old female husky/border collie cross is incontinent. I'm currently in the same situation with my 13 year old smooth collie, Zeffie. We (the vet and I) are playing around with combos of medicines: PPA, over-the-counter Sudafed which does the same thing as PPA, and DES. None of them work by themselves but we find that in a combination we get a reduction in leakage.
Iwas thinkng that a combination of drugs might be what Logo needs too. I will talk to my vet about it tomorrow.
We also limited Zeffie's access to the parts of the house that have carpet or wood floors. Our large kitchen has sheet vinyl which is very easy to clean - we put in baby gates in our kitchen doorways and she stays in there at night and when the house is quiet. She has an assortment of beds in there all of which are machine washable > snip<

Unfortunately every room in our house is wood floors or carpet. You gave me an idea though, Logo is right now sleeping on an old quilt with a bathmat under that. She is a funny girl and fortunately for us she actually prefers to sleep outside, but she likes to come in in the evening when we're watching tv. Usually she only wants to be inside for a little while, but it's different story if there is thunder or other loud noises going on. Then she wants to hide in our bedroom until it's over. She is pretty much trained to the quilt, I don't know why I didn't think to put the bathmat under it=A0=A0Even though Zeffie is bright and with-it for an elderly dog I think she's getting absent minded about remembering to urinate when put in the backyard. Instead of peeing when let out, she'll go to one of her favorite hanging-out spots and watch neighborhood activity. I'm still experimenting with methods to manage this problem but I'm now taking Zeffie for small walks in the neighborhood, in the morning and at night before bed. I've noticed that she will start walking down the street and then suddenly realizes that she has to pee.

Walking her in our backyard doesn't do the trick - I think something about "going for a walk" triggers urination in Zeffie. Our little strolls get her emptied out and I'm finding that she leaks MUCH less on days/nights when she has had her walkies. It's kind of a hassle to find the time to take her for these pokey jaunts but once we get started it's pleasant to mosey along with my old gal, Zeffie.
This is a GREAT idea. Logo never gets to go in our front yard unless we are putting her in the car to go on an outing. She loves to sniff and pee in the front yard. We live in an area where there are a lot of loose dogs so there are always a lot of interesting smells for her. Because of the loose dog problem, I am reluctant to take her for walks, but I sure can take her to the front yard before having her come in for extended periods of time.
Another thing is that Zeffie is weak in the rear (she has DM - Degenerative Mylopathy - sp?) and I've noticed she often gets very shaky when crouching down to pee. I think she's a little afraid that she'll fall backwards. A little walk helps her loosen up her joints and take lots of "little pees" which is easier for her to do.

Pour old Zeffie, it's tough to get old. I'm a little shakey too. :-)
We have bought "hot pants" - pants for dogs designed to hold sanitary napkins. See: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S101213E4 . I found the sizes run small and the "Large" ones - meant for 55 - 75 lb dogs (Zeffie is 68-70 lbs but with a "robust" build - i.e., big boned for a collie and plump in her old age) were waaaay too tight. The "extra large" fits Zeffie much better and she doesn't seem to mind wearing them. We have used the hot pants occasionally (when we visited the extended family on a long road trip to the Midwest) but the biggest problem is that we forget that she has them on.

The hot pants are black, Zeffie is a tri colored collie (black/tan with white which means her rump is black) and several times we have let her outside without remembering to take them off. They can hold incontinent leakage but not an entire bladder worth of urine. Fortunately they are easily washable.
This is also a good idea. When she is scared, her problem is much worse and she won't stay in one place so the hot pants will be a big help for those situations.
Good luck with your old lady dog,
Chris, her two smoothies, one visiting golden pup and the foster kitten trio:
Zeffie, Pablo, Nicky, Black, Tortie & Tiger
Thanks. She has been a faithful friend. I don't want to let her down now.
Merry
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003, 11:24pm (MST+3) From: (Email Removed) (Melinda=A0Shore)

I'd call the vet back and have another discussion. "Puddles lakes" doesn't sound to me like regular incontinence.
Puddle lakes aren't uncommon for spay incontinence, but it's usually more responsive to PPA or DES. I think the diaper suggestion is a good one, as well as restricting access to some areas of the house. I didn't go the diaper route with Greta but there were some parts of the house she couldn't use. I'd think about talking to a specialist - it can be really frustrating.

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I'm definitely going to try the diapers and see if the vet won't try a combination of medications. Restricted access just isn't going to work. She would only be allowed in the kitchen and the kitchen is too isolated. I hope I don't have to take her to a specialist, money is very tight right now :-(
Merry