From what little I've seen about it so far, it looks to me like some people actually believe dogs are not aware of themselves simply because they don't appear to recognise their reflection in a mirror. To me that only means they don't understand a mirror, and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they have a mental concept of themselves.
The facts that they have a mental concept of their objects, their territory, their urine, their body, etc, are all indications that they have a mental concept of themselves, imo.
The fact that they are aware of different individual beings is a very strong indication that they are aware of themselves as an individual also imo, especially when considered along with the fact that they have a mental concept of the other things they encounter.

Question: Has anyone ever managed to get a dog
to understand that it can see its reflection in a mirror, and if so, did it appear to experience a great revelation about its own existence at the instant it learned to do so?
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Question: Has anyone ever managed to get a dog to understand that it can see its reflection in a mirror, and if so, did it appear to experience a great revelation about its own existence at the instant it learned to do so?

My puppy discovered the mirror today, and showed
great interest in the other puppy in there. My experience has been that my dogs lose interest in mirrors pretty quickly. Whether they do so because they realize
it's their own reflection, because the other dog never comes out of the mirror, or because the other dog
has no smell is anybody's guess. I've never seen
one have an "Aha!" moment about it though.
As for dog's having a sense of self, I would agree with that. They recognize other dogs and people as
individuals, and I don't think they'd do that unless they were themselves individuals.
Bizby
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Question: Has anyone ever managed to get a dog to ... own existence at the instant it learned to do so?

My puppy discovered the mirror today, and showed great interest in the other puppy in there. My experience has been ... recognize other dogs and people as individuals, and I don't think they'd do that unless they were themselves individuals. Bizby

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Yes, I did, thanks. I've glanced at it and will read it in depth as soon as I get a chance.
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Yes, I did, thanks. I've glanced at it and will read it in depth as soon as I get a chance. Bizby

At 50K it's very long. But there is an excellent article that is copyrite material that I could not post publicly without copywrite infringement. So I took liberties and sent it privately. Good stuff.
Barneys first experience with his reflection came when I went to an ATM machine. He saw his reflection and totally flipped out at the other dog. Over time he came to understand that this other dog in the glass wasn't mean and he didn't have to go into attack mode..LOL Brandy never paid much attention to mirrors or reflections.
Celeste
Barneys first experience with his reflection came when I went to an ATM machine. He saw his reflection and totally flipped out at the other dog.

So we know he has the ability to recognise reflected images.
Over time he came to understand that this other dog in the glass wasn't mean and he didn't have to go into attack mode..LOL Brandy never paid much attention to mirrors or reflections. Celeste

I remember fooling with my dog and mirrors as a kid. From what I remember the dog showed interest at first, and then my impression was that he figured it out and didn't care about it any more. To him it just didn't mean anything after he figured out that it wasn't real animals. I saw a cat I had do that with the TV. When it first saw birds on the screen it was very interested, but after it learned they weren't real it didn't care any more. Birds outside, that it could see through the window, were a different matter...and it knew about the pet door too. Not understanding or caring about a mirror certainly doesn't mean animals have no awareness of themselves imo. The very idea seems absurd.
Barneys first experience with his reflection came when I went ... his reflection and totally flipped out at the other dog.

So we know he has the ability to recognise reflected images.

We know he didn't recognize HIMSELF.
David, you need to stop looking for fights and to ... self-awareness, or experiments measuring animal intelligence in general. - Logic316

The mirror test shows an individual's ability to understand reflection. If an animal never understands that a mirror can show ... themselves. There are things to indicate that they do, but as yet I've seen nothing to indicate that they don't.

I'll add to this "debate".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror-recognition test for self-awareness "There is some debate in the scientific community as to the value and interpretation of results of the mirror test. While this test has been extensively conducted on primates, there is also debate as to the value of the test as applied to animals who rely primarily on senses other than vision, such as dogs."
I tried a different, non-scientific test with my cat. I used a ball of hair from my cat, and a ball of hair from a foreign cat. When she smelled the hair from the foreign cat, she reacted aggresively, but when she smelled the ball of her hair, she had no reaction, but simply didn't care about presence of the hair. So it very much seems as though she is aware of her own scent, which is important for a territorial animal like a cat. This test can be intepreted in the same way as the mirror test, where with the mirror test, an animal recognizes it's own appearance, and with my "hair test" an animal recognizes it's own scent.
Although I can never really know what my cat is thinking, she appears to be aware of how a mirror works. She often looks at me through my refection on the mirror but has her ears turned towards me to listen to me. When she is faced with her own reflection, she doesn't appear to care about it. I can assume two reasons for that: 1. It doesn't smell like an animal, so it isn't important, 2. Whatever she sees doesn't give her food, whereas I do, so my reflection is of more interest to her. Maybe I can add a third one: She doesn't care about her appearance.
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