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I've heard first hand tales of them being found in radar domes in the Coast Range.

Interesting. I once did a lot of research on rattlers etc. for a long article I got roped into writing ... well before 1998. It does, however, still appear that there are none in pdx as far as I can tell.

I had a friend that found 1 under a house in Wilsonville in 1983..
Not just probably, unless it is an escaped pet or ... is a different matter of course, they do live there.

That's the conventional lore, and while it's largely true as a rule of thumb, it's not strictly true. Rattlers can ... Some of the terrain outside of Grants Pass, Medford, and Ashland j=ust looks a lot like rattlesnake country to me.

It is. I've seen scorpions and snakes on the Rogue River in the coast range near Black Bar.
Snakes in PDX are most probable not poisonous.

Not just probably, unless it is an escaped pet or some other snake brought in from out of the area ... the part of Oregon west of the Cascades. Eastern Oregon is a different matter of course, they do live there.

"'We have rattlesnakes in western Oregon and locally in the Spencer's Butte area as well as other locations in the foothills surrounding the Willamette Valley,' says Tom Titus, adjunct assistant professor of biology at the University of Oregon."
http://www.uoregon.edu/~uocomm/newsreleases/latest/jul98/T072198.html

Rattlesnakes west of the Cascades are rare but they are found from time to time, especially in isolated areas.
Peace and justice,
Bull ***. Cats are merely killers of other life. They have NO redeeming features. The world is better off when they are dead.

Not true. Cats, if NOT overfed, are very good at controlling mice. HOWEVER, cleaning up and proper storage of food is also very good at controlling mice, and so cats are not needed for this in modern society anymore, at least not in the city.

On the farm, when feedstocks for animals are kept, cats can be very useful. Generally the local coyote
population will keep the domestic cat population in check.

Cats are generally NOT any good at controlling RATS which are NOT controlled by proper food storage. There are steps you can take (like removal of vegetation close to the house) that will reduce the rat population, but unfortunately, about the only thing that controls outside rats all that well is poison, and poison only works when it's carefully managed. Inside rats, of course, you never use anything other than rat-traps. (which also don't work unless carefully managed)
Personally, I shoot cats with a high powered BB gun (silent and as effective as a 22 short) and leave out food for Coyotes Raccoons.

You should not do that. Leaving food out simply attracts rats. If your going to shoot them, throw them into the street then call the local animal control to come pick them up.
Ted
A person did do that a few years ago in Portland. And when the dogs start to die in Laurelhurst Park, he was put at the top of the list of suspects by the Portland Police and the Multnomah County District Attorney.

That person is a mental case regardless of why they ... a couple of others because their fireworks offended him somehow.

I do not agree with this at all. If you call in to Portland Police a fireworks
complaint they will get a cop out there immediately. If you call in a dog-pooping
they will tell you they will send someone but they will never do. Even though
it's both the same offense and both illegal and I think both the same fine.

If you videotape someone putting on a fireworks show and turn the tape over to the cops, they will go arrest the person and convict them with the tape. If you do the same with a dog owner the cops will claim they can't use it as evidence.
So faced with this, the decision to start poisoning is not that of a mental case.
It is in fact a rational decision, although it is extreme. A far better decision
would have been to set up live traps in the on-leash areas of the park, then trap the dog the then haul it's *** down to the dog pound. After the owners had paid a few times to bail out their dogs they might have got the message. When there are laws against something and the cops won't enforce them and will not accept citizen assistance in obtaining evidence to use
to enforce them, citizens are justified in taking action, as long as the action is
not extreme or out of proportion to the crime. And in any case it is quite legal
to trap nuisance animals on your property and a lot of private property has backyards that go right into Laurelhurst Park, I am sure any of those property
owners who haven't fenced their yard to the park have had dogs in their yard.
And, in any rate, a dog should be trained
not to eat anything other than what the owner feeds it. Dogs can be trained to do this, it is very easy. The usual way is to do it when they are puppies - you
take dog food, hamburger, potatop chips, and whatever else the dog will eat, salt it down good with the hottest pepper you can find, then leave it lying around.
The puppy will quickly learn to not eat anything other than what food is in his
bowl. Show throughbreads are trained this routinely, you don't want a dog you
spent 10 grand on, getting sick because he ate a rotting old piece of meat on
the ground somewhere.
When the Laurelhurst poisoning started I felt really bad for the dogs, first because
the poisoner used off-the-shelf poison, that is slow acting and very painful.
There's far better nerve poisons out there that are humane and quick acting. But mostly, I felt bad for the dogs because their owners obviously didn't know how to train them properly. They wern't trained to heel, they wern't trained to poop in the person's yard (all the homes around Laurelhurst have their own strips of grass and animal can be trained to poop in) they wern't trained to leave food they found laying around alone. They didn't have a chance, because of dumb-*** owners too lazy to be alpha-males in the pack.
Ted
A person did do that a few years ago in ... by the Portland Police and the Multnomah County District Attorney.

and I do not agree with this at all. If you call in to Portland Police a fireworks complaint they ... tape. If you do the same with a dog owner the cops will claim they can't use it as evidence.

So, you speaking from personal experience?
So faced with this, the decision to start poisoning is not that of a mental case. It is in fact a rational decision, although it is extreme.

Yeah, right. Are You the sick son of a ***?!
A far better decision would have been to set up live traps in the on-leash areas of the park, then trap the dog the then haul it's *** down to the dog pound.

While the owner looks on. Get a CLUE!!
After the owners had paid a few times to bail out their dogs they might have got the message. When ... And, in any rate, a dog should be trained not to eat anything other than what the owner feeds it.

How about children? Did you think about that while you were putting out poisoned chickens?! How about the homeless?! Nah, the only thing tha mattered was dog *** in your yard.
Bull ***. Cats are merely killers of other life. They have NO redeeming features. The world is better off when they are dead.

Not true. Cats, if NOT overfed, are very good at controlling mice. HOWEVER, cleaning up and proper storage of food is also very good at controlling mice, and so cats are not needed for this in modern society anymore, at least not in the city.

Companionship, study after study always seems to show a cat/dog is a benefit to the owners well being. In many urban environments , dogs aren't very practical.
It does, however, still appear that there are (no rattlers) in pdx as far as I can tell.

I had a friend that found 1 under a house in Wilsonville in 1983..

Interesting. Any indication you know of if this was something like an escaped pet or accidental hitchiker like the one in Tigard was thought to be?
The occasional rattler may accidently be found in the pdx area from such sources but I'm not aware of any breeding populations here. Rattlers generally prefer a drier climate.
The pets and related things remind me of something that happened in my high school. The biology teacher kept various critters in cages in his room, including a rattlesnake. Well one day the class just after lunch got there before he did and someone found an empty cage, identical to the one where the rattler lived. They took the hid its cage with the rattler, replacing it with the empty cage with the door open.
The teacher got a couple of minutes into the class when one of the students asked, "Oh Mr. Buyok, what happened to your snake, did he die?"
The result was pretty much as expected in terms of teacher excitment and shock.
Cats are generally NOT any good at controlling RATS which are NOT controlled by proper food storage. There are steps ... carefully managed. Inside rats, of course, you never use anything other than rat-traps. (which also don't work unless carefully managed)

How do you get the trap inside the rat?
Curt
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