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A little poll for those that USE e-collars: What brand and model e-collar do you use?

TriTronics Pro 500, 200
What do you like about it?

Everything. They have no peer.
What are it's down points?

I have to pay for them.
If you were buying a new collar today, would you choose the same collar?

Yes.
What do you use it for? general obedience (NL type)? field? othe special uses?

All of the above, plus I use one on my wife whenever she goes shopping.

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I use TriTronics. Have had a 100, a 200 and a Flyway, plus remotes for wingers (automatic bird throwers).And I've also used other people's Inoteks and Dogtra's and although the Dogtra is fine for the remote throwers because it's different so I don't get confused and pick up the wrong transmitter I like TT for the dog best by far. For as rarely as I push a button on mine, the batteries last a ridicuously long time (a month?) between charges. Then they charge fully in 12-14 hours.
TriTronics fix what they sell IF it breaks - which is rare. And I've known a transmitter to be dropped underwater during hunting season, fished out the following summer and take a charge and work fine thereafter. They re-design what they get the most complaints about. (Like GREATLY simplifying the way they turn on whith the newer models!!) TT has been in business a long time and I know they'll be there if I need them.
Downside they are expensive (although I think all collars should probably cost over $500 to weed out Joe Stupid, or at least make sure he has money to hire a pro to teach him to use it.)
I like the feel of the transmitter. I can grip it with cold wet hands, gloves, slip it in my back pocket, reach and grab it and in one motion have my fingers in the right place without looking. Don't like other smaller ones, like a credit card on a string. Can't tell what I'm doing without looking! And what's the use of a few dozen levels of stim if there's no reference clicks on the dial so you can't duplicate a precise setting a second time???

I think if I bought another I would go back to a 200 because it comes with the optional tone. You can condition the tone however you like - a warning, automatic recall, or a secondary reinforcer (more precisely a keep going signal since you can't deliver a primary at remote). I thought I wouldn't use it because keeping up with three stim buttons and a dial are enough, but I have thought of a fewdifferent ays I would like to use a tone if I had one again.

Honestly, between the TriTronics models, you just need to decide what method you are going to use, ie, low level continuous as negative reinforcement, OR higher level momentary as an aversive. See www.dobbsdogs.com and www.totalretriever.com
Decide. Don't try to mix and match.
If you want to use low level continuous, you should get the 100 (or 5 or 600?) that has high, med and low continuous buttons on each of five levels (5x3=15 continuous levels).
The 200 and Flyway do also have a continuous button, but ONLYone, which acutally delivers a high stim on each of the five levels (5x1=5 continuous levels) and I firmly believe that a low on a higher level is easier than a high on a lower lever, based on trials on myself (like a low 4 is easier to take than a high 3 - but on a 200 the continuous hoice would only be high 3 or high
4)

But the 200 and Flyway have low, med, and high on each of five momentary levels (5x3=15 momentary levels). So if you want to use primarily momentary you have better control of the level with 15 momentaly levels.

Some say "yabbut I can just push and release the button real quick on a 100 continuous and get the same as momentary and then I have 15 levels of continuous and practically 15 levels of momentary too" but I disagree. The 200's momentary stim is precisely timed at some fraction of a second no matter how long the button is depressed. You can't do the same with trying to release quick. And remember you'll be thinking about the dog and his reaction and your command that will follow, etc, not concentrating on precisely what you fingers are doing, plus your fingers might be wet and cold or in gloves or hot and sweaty, etc.
I gotta go, but if you have any other questions about how a TT operates, Janet, don't hesitate to ask - I know it's a big *** purchase. (You might want to copy me an email if you post back so I don't miss it - school just started back for me so I get kinda busy.)
Susan Fraser, owned and trained by
BeBop a Lu SheBop SH,
Shamma Lamma Ding Dong MH,
and Gris Gris Gumbo YaYa
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I like the feel of the transmitter. I can grip it with cold wet hands, gloves, slip it in my ... of stim if there's no reference clicks on the dial so you can't duplicate a precise setting a second time???[/nq]I forgot to mention the transmitter design. The ability to operate it without looking, and to grab it out of your pocket or holster, have your fingers in the right place, and operate it without taking your eyes off the dog is a BIG plus. I think this is one of the reasons retriever people favor Tri-Tronics. Our training requires us to keep focused on exactly what the dog is doing (and for those who don't know, retrievers somehow know what is going on behind them, even at quite a distance, and if your concentration wavers, theirs tends to as well).

OTOH, just as we use heavier shotguns than the bird dog guys, because we care more about the kick than the weight, we don't mind the heavier weight of the transmitter. In general we don't do a whole lot of walking while training.
I think if I bought another I would go back to a 200 because it comes with the optional tone. ... but I have thought of a fewdifferent ays I would like to use a tone if I had one again.

My 500s have tone functions, but you have to press the LED thing on top of the transmitter not as convenient as a button in reach of your thumb. Mine are now a couple of years old, though, and they may have changed this arrangement.
Some say "yabbut I can just push and release the button real quick on a 100
continuous and get the same as momentary and then I have 15 levels of continuous and practically 15 levels of ... you fingers are doing, plus your fingers might be wet and cold or in gloves or hot and sweaty, etc.

We thought this for years and finally upgraded to collars with momentary, and it's a big advantage if you're going to do serious training.

Amy Dahl
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Amy,
I'm really glad you chimed in here. I need to ask someone a favor, and seeing you here reminded me you might be able to help me out... (private answers, only so you can feel absolutely guiltlessly free to turn me down!!)

I write for The Clicker Journal (not quite the circulation of The Retriever Journal - HaHa!) and I wrote a poem called "Driven - Ode to a Field Trial Retriever." Poetry is pretty out of character for me, but they want to print it anyway. And they're asking me for photos of "driven" retriever(s) to illustrate it with..
With appropriate credits to you and Oakhill (which would make sense because anyone who sees this would be interested in that oh-so-rare non-ecollar retriever training option that you and John offer) do you have any photos of retrievers leaping, or that "steely gaze" they get, or ANY action shots that you wouldn't mind being used to illustrate this poem: http://mypeoplepc.com/members/chinchuba/goldensinthenews/id1.html

I have seen the "big air" photo on your logo on Working Retriever Central, and I believe a different one on your web site (that's a chessie, isn't it ;->) and I know those may be copywrited. Any others in the old photo album?

Also I'm posting this instead of emailing only to Amy in case ANYONE ELSE here has one of those breathtaking photos of a retriever leaping into the water, or ANY other field-like action shots I could use. (Pretty please??)

If so, let me know ASAP!! the presses are warming up..
Susan Fraser, owned and trained by
BeBop a Lu SheBop SH,
Shamma Lamma Ding Dong MH,
and Gris Gris Gumbo YaYa
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/chinchuba/goldensinthenews /