Let's hear what folks have to say about a dog who's BAD behavior escalates after the corrections for it have started. How long does it last in your experience?
For those that care, the BIGGEST problem with Bagel right now is his REFUSAL to give something up. I worked on drop it a bit with him tonight and he seemed to freely give up the object we were using, however in real life later tonight when I wanted him to drop something he downright refused. I gave a correction and he snarled and snapped. Also he was a bit snappish at the park tonight.
It strikes me that THIS behavior is escalationg while the other behaviors are complying more and more. But the snapping and growling is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

and yeah it's getting worse since I started correcting him on it and making him comply with everything else.
Just want to hear from others concerning escalation of behavior before extinction.
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and yeah it's getting worse since I started correcting him on it and making him comply with everything else.

Why are you correcting him? And how?
For dogs with resource guarding issues, the reason they growl and snap is because they think you are going to take away their resource.

You need to start all over. Heres a link that shows how to make the appearance of you and your hands a good thing:
http://www.doglogic.com/possess.htm
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Hi Nessa,
I've not been following you posts but I remember when you adopted Bagel and the problems you had. What correction are you giving? Does it help if you offer something in exchange . Dibby the dog and Kim the cat will do anything for a cat biscuit.
I think if you have an animal that is aggressive, it's better to persuade and to avoid agro.

Alison
For those that care, the BIGGEST problem with Bagel right now is his REFUSAL to give something up. I ... I gave a correction and he snarled and snapped. Also he was a bit snappish at the park tonight.

You are making the problem worse. The more important and scarce you make the resource seem to her, the more she is going to want to guard it and keep it from you. Exchange things like a goody for the thing, tell her thank you and give it right back to her. You will eventually have her bringing things to you rather than trying to keep them from you due to your irrational possessiveness.
Exchange things like a goody for the thing, tell her thank you and give it right back to her. You will eventually have her bringing things toyou rather than trying to keep them from you due to your irrationalpossessiveness.

That's basically what I did with Morag when I first had her, and she would steal things like food wrappers & get possessive. If it was something she really couldn't keep, I'd give her a treat and praise her. If it was something like a hot dog wrapper, I'd hold it for her to lick before throwing it away. Once she realized that I praised and rewarded her for giving things to me, she went through a phase of bringing me all sorts of loose objects. She still brings me toys, bones, and tuna fish cans to hold for her.
Part of what worked with her was being calm about the whole thing; to this day, if you grab at her when she's got something, she'll jerk away- but if I hold out my hand and say calmly "What have you got?" she'll give it to me.
Nessa, I was thinking about this very issue with Bagel this morning; you say he doesn't have ball/toy drive, but since he DOES make a point of snitching other dogs' toys at the park, I'm thinking it might be a good idea for you to bring a couple of toys to try trading with. Remind me to show you how I worked with Rocsi on "drop it" and "give it"- I incorporated "TAKE IT" as well. You don't want to make a power struggle out of it, esp. since Bagel IS a powerful dog.
and yeah it's getting worse since I started correcting him on it and making him comply with everything else.

Why are you correcting him? And how?

He is being corrected for NOT obeying the 'drop it' command.
For dogs with resource guarding issues, the reason they growl and snap is because they think you are going to take away their resource.

He is not guarding he is usually sitting with the item (in this case a piece of wrapper from a dog treat... NOT THE TREAT mind you but the WRAPPER and not even the entire thing just a piece of it) IN HIS CLOSED MOUTH. He's looking at me with that closed mouth testing me as if to say 'make me give it to you'.
I told him to drop it. He didn't.
after the incident he was fine. loving obeyed EVERY command and was very compliant.
You need to start all over. Heres a link that shows how to make the appearance of you and your hands a good thing: http://www.doglogic.com/possess.htm Dogstar716 My Dogs: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/TheBoys.html

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Nessa, I was thinking about this very issue with Bagel this morning; you say he doesn't have ball/toy drive, but ... as well. You don't want to make a power struggle out of it, esp. since Bagel IS a powerful dog.

i keep trying to think about what to bring however. He doesn't have a favorite toy. In fact, he will turn his nose up at something familar when I've tried this trade thing before.
New toys? Every day? how to make this interesting for the buttheaded dog?

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Why are you correcting him? And how?

He is being corrected for NOT obeying the 'drop it' command.

How?
For dogs with resource guarding issues, the reason they growl and snap is because they think you are going to take away their resource.

He is not guarding he is usually sitting with the item (in this case a piece of wrapper from a ... He's looking at me with that closed mouth testing me as if to say 'make me give it to you'.

Uh, that IS guarding.
I told him to drop it. He didn't.

Well, the good news is, he didn't swallow it to keep you from getting it back.
With my dogs, I just pry their jaws apart and take whatever it is. I can, so I do.

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With my dogs, I just pry their jaws apart and take whatever it is. I can, so I do. Mary H. and the Ames National Zoo:

Unfortunately, Nessa doesn't have the confidence to do that and Bagel KNOWS it. He's making his own rules here. I am meeting with the 2 of them early next week. Nessa - I think I'd like to come see him in action at the park as well, if we can figure out a time it works for both of us.

He's a big (but not particularly fast!) dog who if he threatens, undoubtedly makes one think twice. I don't know when this got to be a problem with resource guarding, but he needs to respect Nessa in MANY ways he isn't right now, and that doesn't turn around overnight.
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