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Which is better Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet ? Which do you think is better nutrition for a growing puppy ?
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Hi All Which is better Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet ? Which do you think is better nutrition for a growing puppy ? kIM

Neither is something I'd feed to my dogs. Here are a couple of good on-line sites to research commercial dog foods. You won't find them at your grocery store, or at Petsmart. The better foods are frequently available at feed stores and some vets. (my regular vet carries the Hills crap mostly, but my holistic vet carries some of the better foods). Depending on the breed, after about 4 months you may not want to feed puppy food. Other alternatives are a home-cooked or raw menu. But you really need to do your research on that to be sure you are feeding a balanced diet.
http://www.nhratterriers.com/goodfood.htm
http://www.doberdogs.com/menu.html
Hi All Which is better Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet ? Which do you think is better nutrition for a growing puppy ? kIM

Neither is something I'd feed to my dogs. Here are a couple of good on-line sites to research commercial dog ... you really need to do your research on that to be sure you are feeding a balanced diet. http://www.nhratterriers.com/goodfood.htm http://www.doberdogs.com/menu.html

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I have a too busy life to prepare food for the puppy. I meen I would look after it take it walking etc. But I cannot make food. I live in Australia so there is not a large variety of food. I have never seen any of the brands on those websites before. All I have heard about is Hill's Science Diet , Eukanuba and Advance which is an Australian dog food company which food has been tested by WALTHAM. So what do I choose out of the 3 in your opinion?
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Neither is something I'd feed to my dogs. Here are ... be sure you are feeding a balanced diet. http://www.nhratterriers.com/goodfood.htm http://www.doberdogs.com/menu.html

Hi I have a too busy life to prepare food for the puppy. I meen I would look after it ... company which food has been tested by WALTHAM. So what do I choose out of the 3 in your opinion?

Of the three, I'd say your puppy is in good hands. All are good foods. People who put down these companies are people buying into some false information disseminated by other companies with an agenda. Companies selling foods on a gimmick rather than good science and jealous of the big three trying to tarnish their image.
I have a too busy life to prepare food for ... do I choose out of the 3 in your opinion?

Of the three, I'd say your puppy is in good hands. All are good foods. People who put down these ... selling foods on a gimmick rather than good science and jealous of the big three trying to tarnish their image.

Yep. I've fed Euk Premium Performance exclusively for almost 7 years now. I get super coat and condition, small stools, energy, endurance, and they just never have coat issues.
The thing that the "feed raw" and "feed only some brand you can only get by hiking to Tibet on the fourth blue moon of September" people don't understand is that none of those diets have any real science behind them. The big companies like Purina and Iams actually do real studies and real feeding trials on real dogs. The little "boutique" brands don't do any feeding trials at all. And of course Raw has no science behind it, you're just sort of guessing you're feeding the right thing.
The thing that the "feed raw" and "feed only some brand you can only get by hiking to Tibet on the fourth blue moon of September" people don't understand is that none of those diets have any real science behind them.

"None?" Uh, nope. There are small companies producing rather hard-to-find feeds like Annamaet, Momentum, and Caribou Creek which are, in fact, based on clinical research. Is that what you meant by "real science?"
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The thing that the "feed raw" and "feed only some ... none of those diets have any real science behind them.

"None?" Uh, nope. There are small companies producing rather hard-to-find feeds like Annamaet, Momentum, and Caribou Creek which are, in fact, based on clinical research. Is that what you meant by "real science?"

Feeding trials on real dogs, not formulas that technically meet AAFCO standards.
I'm not saying all boutique brands are bad. I'm just saying most of them are putting ingredients together that sound good but aren't actually feeding the food to colonies of dogs to see what happens. It could well be that some of them are doing an excellent job. However, tht doesn't mean, conversely, that the big companies are doing an awful job because, well, they're big.
On "science," I really meant no studies on the efficacy of raw food in the diet though I do believe there are now a couple out there that show the dangers of feeding raw.
Be gentle with me today, I'm nusring a horrible cold and my head feels like its going to fall off and roll across the floor like a bowling ball which, frankly, would be a relief.
Feeding trials on real dogs, not formulas that technically meet AAFCO standards.

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Well, Pedigree, Friskies, and Science Diet are all trialled, and I wouldn't feed any of those.
I agree with your basic point, which is that nearly any of the major premium brands will be a good feed for the average dog. Find one that makes sense, give it a shot, and adjust as necessary. I've had good experiences with a variety of feeds; right now I need something pretty dense because the dogs are in training (HAH, she says, looking at the outside temperature reading of 60F) but during the summer I've tried a variety of them and have been mostly very satisfied.
However, it's not correct to say that there's "no science" behind the smaller, harder to find brands. For one thing, in several cases I know of the companies were spun out of university research projects. For another thing, I think the word "science" might be being used incorrectly here. Certainly when I see vague complaints about bad "science" it tends to be from people who think that the Grand Canyon is 6000 years old and climate change denialists, so it pushes those buttons for me. Real criticism tends to go beyond "bad science/no science" assertions. Also, there's a tendency to think it has something to do with providing citations, even in the absence of any kind of evaluation of the literature being cited. "Oooh, shiny!"
It's a methodological thing, and as the second t-shirt at: http://xkcd.com/store / suggests, we like it!
I agree with your basic point, which is that nearly any of the major premium brands will be a good ... temperature reading of 60F) but during the summer I've tried a variety of them and have been mostly very satisfied.

Right. Most dogs are not going to be going to the extremes yours will (if you ever get snow again!). I consider my dogs athletes and agility a very athletic sport, but it's high intensity for extremely short periods. I remember talking to an agility friend several years ago who said she rests her dogs for 2-3 days after an agility trial because it's so hard. And I was thinking, "what, for 3 minutes work in a weekend??" It's the fitness I do with the dogs to make sure they can go that fast over that many jumps without injury that is the work, not the courses themselves unless I'm training an hour or more every day (which I've never done).
However, it's not correct to say that there's "no science" behind the smaller, harder to find brands. For one thing, in several cases I know of the companies were spun out of university research projects.

I had no clue. Brand share please?
For another thing, I think
the word "science" might be being used incorrectly here. Certainly when I see vague complaints about bad "science" it tends to be from people who think that the Grand Canyon is 6000 years old and climate change denialists, so it pushes those buttons for me.

But Melinda, evolution is just a THEORY!! Intelligent design is just as valid!
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