Okay, I've now heard it from 4 or 5 people, and thought I'd ask. Anyone heard of dogs being bred (or trained) specifically for the purpose of chasing away/killing foxes? A couple of people who have seen Khan react to foxes, and a couple who have heard about his reaction, have all said the same thing - that in parts of rural VA/WVA, some people breed and train their dogs to go after foxes that are otherwise a nuisance to people who have fowl. One actually said that the dogs he had known were GSD/Husky mixes (he doesn't know Khan). Sounds like a lot of hooey to me, but you never know just what sort of weird ideas people think up.
On that front, Khan is surprising me with his eeevilness. Normally, when he sees/smells the fox when we're in the car, he goes ballistic. He lets me know exactly how big of a meanie I am for not letting him out so he could chase after it (his intentions are utterly honorable, he swears). A couple of days back, one ran right across our path, as I was turning into the house, and he went very stiff, very interested, but not even a bark out of him.

When I let him out of the car, he acted like he normally does, and headed for the house, then he tried to turn really quickly, and give me the slip. Unfortunately for him, I just knew that his wee little brane was up to no good, and asked him what the heck he thought he was doing. Hung his head and walked back into the house like nothing had happened. Did give me a piece of his mind, though.

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Okay, I've now heard it from 4 or 5 people, and thought I'd ask. Anyone heard of dogs being bred ... like a lot of hooey to me, but you never know just what sort of weird ideas people think up.

It doesn't sound abnormal although using that breed(s) rather than hounds is a new one to me. Until very recently (as I believe the anti-hunters won), in England, dogs were used to hunt fox.

Tara
It doesn't sound abnormal although using that breed(s) rather than hounds is a new one to me. Until very recently (as I believe the anti-hunters won), in England, dogs were used to hunt fox.

AFAIK, hounds aren't used to kill foxes, but rather to find and corner them, baying to call the hunter to them. the hunter kills the fox.

-kelly
It doesn't sound abnormal although using that breed(s) rather than ... anti-hunters won), in England, dogs were used to hunt fox.

AFAIK, hounds aren't used to kill foxes, but rather to find and corner them, baying to call the hunter to them. the hunter kills the fox.

It all depends on where the hunting is being done.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0530 020532 fox.html

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It doesn't sound abnormal although using that breed(s) rather than ... anti-hunters won), in England, dogs were used to hunt fox.

AFAIK, hounds aren't used to kill foxes, but rather to find and corner them, baying to call the hunter to them. the hunter kills the fox.

They are in England & Scotland (or were). The link Jack provided (thanks Jack) touches on that. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that people here are adopting the UK's fox culling method. There's more to it across the pond as its primarily a social engagement and is certainly a centuries-old tradition.

Tara
. Until very recently (as I believe the anti-hunters won), in England, dogs were used to hunt fox. Tara

Hi Tara,
The ban starts early next year . The Bill banned hunting with dogs which includes stag hunting and hare coursing. The Bill was passed by the House of Commons but the House of Lords rejected it and so the goverment evoked a special billl to pass it through. The majority of people in England want the ban. The Country Alliance are going to court to see if they can get the Bill overturned. Drag hunting is obviously still allowed.
Scotland is different , they can use packs of hounds to chase the fox but they have to shoot it instead of letting the hounds kill it. It should be banned outright. Bear in mind that many hounds are shot by their keepers when they are too old to hunt or are not suitable for any reason. It's also dangerous for the horses .
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Until very recently (as I believe the anti-hunters won),
in England, dogs were used to hunt fox.

Actually, we still do it here in the US too. Or did about 15yrs ago at any rate.
I know there are (were) hunt clubs in NJ and VA. Other states as well, I'm sure. The Fox Hounds (there is actually more than one breed of Fox Hound to boot) do the killing, if there is any to be done. No fire arms are used. The club of which I was a member caught one fox in 4 years. They are wild fox, though a lot of clubs now use drag lines instead. Whether it is out of sympathy for the fox or lack of foxes, I don't know.
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Actually, we still do it here in the US too. Or did about 15yrs ago at any rate. I know ... use drag lines instead. Whether it is out of sympathy for the fox or lack of foxes, I don't know.

If I might hazard a guess (and it *is* just a guess), in most places in the US you can't kill predators
unless they're threatening your livestock. A fox would qualify as protected by this.
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If I might hazard a guess (and it *is* just a guess), in most places in the US you can't kill predators unless they're threatening your livestock

Honestly I have no idea. When I was involved in fox hunting I was a teenager. The land was owned by people other than those in the club, and we weren't exactly sly about it. Hard to miss a huge field of mounted and formally dressed riders and a pack of Fox Hounds in the middle of Homdel, New Jersey. It was mostly soy farms on which we rode - no real live stock. But even if that wasn't the case then, it could be now. For all I know the club is long since disbanded.

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