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I don't know if she ever decided to have future surgery done or not, but from what I saw of her problems after the initial surgery I'm not sure I think it's such a great way to lose weight.

You almost have to have the skin removal surgery or you look like a freak. My cousin had gastric bypass, and I wouldn't want to have that surgery after hearing what she went through. No thanks. But, for her, it was her last resort.

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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Weight before diet and first vet visit? 70 pounds. Weight now? 66 pounds.

Oh my...there's a woman that does ACD rescue up in WA that would bring all of her dogs and a rescue or two with her herding. (free advertising of rescue dogs to active homes, perfect! :-))

One of the dogs she brought a lot last year was "Dali". She was FAT, pushing 70lbs. She would ba-dump ba-dump around the pasture in attempts to play with other dogs. Many of the other dogs wouldn't play with her because it was as if they could see how visibly distressed she would get! She would just plod along after them. And forget about herding.
It was cool to watch the weight slowly fade from her. But, it was really cool to see her a few weeks ago with her new family. She was still a tad saggy, but looked great! She had lost
33 lbs, and she was getting to herd the sheep, not actually looklike one of the fully-wooled ones! :-)
Now, what's the ideal weight for the average ACD?

I don't know for certain, but my guess would be 30-40 lbs?
I sure hope my in-laws stick to Buddy's diet, because this dog is far too young to be so fat and sound so out of breath as he does with the slightest physical effort.[/nq]I bet. My dad's Lab Molly was starting to get a little chunky the last time I was out there w/ the boys. I said, "Oh Molly, you've put on a little weight!" She is a few months younger than Coda, right around 4 years. Dad, who was petting Bodhi, had to make a comment about how he wasn't listening to me because Bodhi felt like I starved him! He was feeding her 6 cups of food (I can't remember what kind of food, but they buy something like Nutro or Eukanuba).

6 cups! Mom, though, piped up and said the vet also agreed that Molly was getting too fat. And we could all see it when she & the boys started running around playing. She was getting lazy too! She used to be able to outrun Coda, but she couldn't & Bodhi was just smokin' her.
I told him he could probably cut her food in half, and he didn't believe me. I told him that what the bag told him to feed was obviously more than she needed, except maybe during hunting time, and why wouldn't they want him to feed more (so he would have to buy more! :-)). Well, he started cutting her back to 4 cups, and she looks MUCH better.
I'm honestly afraid to play with him too much when I visit him as he's so wheezy and out of breath when we do play. When I leave, they tell me he sleeps the sleep of the dead for the rest of the day.

Yep, that's Molly too. My two boys run her into the ground though. I've not had them out since Molly's lost her weight, I should. Shelly & The Boys who love that brown Lab girl...
Weight before diet and first vet visit? 70 pounds. Weight now? 66 pounds. Now, what's the ideal weight for the average ACD?

66 lbs is not unusual for an ACD in hard working condition, but Isomehow seriously doubt Buddy is in such great shape. When they're not carrying scads of muscle (i.e., "soft" sofa-spud condition), they're a lot lighter.
At his thinnest, Noah weighed 33 lbs. Chubby, he was still well under
40. He was 19" at the withers, with average bone. Ranger weighs 45 orso when he's porky, but about 40 in "average" shape. Ranger is 21" at the withers, and a bit long-legged for the typical ACD.

Sam, 20" tall, 14 years old, and in probably the softest condition of his life, weighs between 42-44 lbs. All these dogs have a visible waist and a visible tuckup, and palpable ribs.

Mary H. and the Ames National Zoo: Regis, Sam-I-Am, Noah (1992-2001), Ranger, Duke,
felines, and finches
I bet. My dad's Lab Molly was starting to get a little chunky the last time I was out ... cups of food (I can't remember what kind of food, but they buy something like Nutro or Eukanuba). 6 cups!

Good Heavens. Duke gets only a little bit more Pro-Plan Lite than Sam and Ranger. The little 'uns get 2 cups a day, Duke gets about 3 cups a day. He's bigger, but less active. When he arrived, Duke was about 85 lbs. Now he's down to about 70-72, and holding steady.

Mary H. and the Ames National Zoo: Regis, Sam-I-Am, Noah (1992-2001), Ranger, Duke,
felines, and finches
Now, what's the ideal weight for the average ACD?

Granted, my dog Sadie's best play pal is a bit small for an ACD, but I doubt he's more than 30 lbs:
http://www.rauhaus.org/gallery/album02/rocky1
Here he is compared to my ~44 lb girl:
http://www.rauhaus.org/gallery/album02/sadie rocky2

Stafford A. Rau
Sadie and Jonesy: http://www.rauhaus.org/gallery/
Now, what's the ideal weight for the average ACD?

Granted, my dog Sadie's best play pal is a bit small for an ACD, but I doubt he's more than 30 lbs: http://www.rauhaus.org/gallery/album02/rocky1

If Sadie had a shorter tail and was at least 30#'s heavier, (and a female), she'd be Buddy.
She looks remarkebly like him.
Terri
Weight before diet and first vet visit? 70 pounds. Weight now? 66 pounds. Now, what's the ideal weight for the average ACD?

66 lbs is not unusual for an ACD in hard working condition, but I somehow seriously doubt Buddy is in such great shape.

You are the Mistress of Understatement!
When they're not
carrying scads of muscle (i.e., "soft" sofa-spud condition), they're a lot lighter. At his thinnest, Noah weighed 33 lbs. Chubby, ... his life, weighs between 42-44 lbs. All these dogs have a visible waist and a visible tuckup, and palpable ribs.

Buddy looks like an overstuffed sausage with legs. There are no skin folds anywhere; no tuckups, no ribs. I don't think he's ever really going to lose the weight he needs to, as my BIL is prone to say, "He's not fat, he's husky". He loves the dog to distraction, and Buddy is prone to sleeping with him in the armchair, in the crook of my BIL's arm, with his had tucked under the chin while they both take a nap.

I am fonder of this dog than any other pushy ACD I've ever been around. There's just something about him that has really gotten under my skin.
But I find it really sad that a dog so young is unable to really play to the full extent of his capacity without having audible breathing wheezes.
Terri
I don't know if she ever decided to have future ... I think it's such a great way to lose weight.

You almost have to have the skin removal surgery or you look like a freak. My cousin had gastric bypass, and I wouldn't want to have that surgery after hearing what she went through. No thanks. But, for her, it was her last resort.

This woman spent a full year with a bucket next to her desk to barf into when she ate any food portion larger than 3 bites. She's actually having problems with the enamel wearing off her teeth already. Since her bypass was cut, not altered, she's stuck with this for life. Her stomach is the size of a shot glass. She's got to take supplements all the time and since she can't get much food inside her at one time, she's constantly running out of fuel, which plays hell with low blood sugar.
In her case, she didn't spend much time checking things out first to educate herself and was in such a hurry to do it, she opted for a surgeon who was just as eager to perform it.
She may be happy with her weight loss, but she looks terrible and doesn't feel at all healthy.
Did I mention she's only 32?
It seems to me she's traded one set of health problems for another set.

Terri
Buddy looks like an overstuffed sausage with legs.

That's so sad.
There are no skin folds anywhere; no tuckups, no ribs. I don't think he's ever really going to lose the weight he needs to, as my BIL is prone to say, "He's not fat, he's husky". He loves the dog to distraction,

He's going to love Buddy to death, in the literal sense. Poor pup has an active nature writing checks that his pudgy body can't cash. As I understand it, dogs don't get heart disease the way humans do, but the extra stress on his joints and lungs can't possibly be good for him. Poor pup.
ACDs tend to get a bit portly if allowed to do so, and some owners have trouble distinguishing between the thickened outline of a seriously muscled-up dog and a layer of insulation that'd allow for wintering in the Antarctic without shelter.
and Buddy is prone to sleeping with him in the armchair, in the crook of my BIL's arm, with his had tucked under the chin while they both take a nap.

That's cute!
But I find it really sad that a dog so young is unable to really play to the full extent of his capacity without having audible breathing wheezes.

I fully agree.

Mary H. and the Ames National Zoo: Regis, Sam-I-Am, Noah (1992-2001), Ranger, Duke,
felines, and finches
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