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Oh, and Emorii ratsnakes. Pretty, sweet as sugar,

Except this one: http://www.mcmartinville.com/reptiles/trips/texas/gp rat.htm

Yep; Blinda's a sweetie, too... But, grey rats *do* have a reputation of being:
ill-tempered
wonderful climbers
escape artists to shame Houdini
voracious feeders
strong (we made the mistake of hot-gluing the plastic tracks we used for her doors. She waited for us to go on vacation, and shoved the tracks right out of the terrarium and made her break for the underwear drawer 2 rooms away)
She's about 5-5.5' long, has broken some of her ribs against the feeding tongs when she got that with the rat and we tried to take them away from her, is very active, and is (usually) an absolute angel...
I guess I'm looking for something different then the usual starter. I don't want to get a snake only because ... up my back last year I have no problem with nippyness, I just don't want to get killed or hospitalized!

Hrm...
Ever checked out the Pituophis gang? Gophers, pines and bulls. I've never owned one, but, they seem to have a nice reputation for settling down, are not the usual guys, and can be quite lovely.

I'm still partial to my macklots', but not everybody agrees... Love the way they feel in the hand, their iridescence, their coloring, and even the bit of attitude they offer... Just know you're going to be bitten, a lot, by babies (these bites are harmless, and mine have lived up to the reputation of settling down after the first year).
I guess I'm looking for something different then the usual ... nippyness, I just don't want to get killed or hospitalized!

Hrm... Ever checked out the Pituophis gang? Gophers, pines and bulls. I've never owned one, but, they seem to have ... babies (these bites are harmless, and mine have lived up to the reputation of settling down after the first year).

Huh. I'll have to check them out. The only wild snakes around my place are garders, not bad snakes, but I don't want mess around with their diet. Frozen/thawed rats and mice are fine, but earthworms, slugs, and goldfish? EWW! (well, ok not goldfish, except a goldfish-only diet isn't supposed to be that great for them, I think). The only wild snake I'd keep is one I caught myself... So I'd have to get captive bred. I take it that there are enough wild-type captive animals? I don't usually like color morphs, albinos and such. Not my thing, really.
Gloria
Hrm... Ever checked out the Pituophis gang? Gophers, pines and ... to the reputation of settling down after the first year).

Huh. I'll have to check them out. The only wild snakes around my place are garders, not bad snakes, but ... there are enough wild-type captive animals? I don't usually like color morphs, albinos and such. Not my thing, really. Gloria

Mandarin ratsnakes very nice
The Drawf Burmese mentioned in a different thread have really got me drooling. I don't have the money for one ... will probably be breeding them, if they aren't already. Or I may go for a different species by then. Gloria

Get a little hognose while you wait for the burmese. They come in albino and all kinds of colors now, too.
Cindy
Get a little hognose while you wait for the burmese. They come in albino and all kinds of colors now, too. Cindy

Hognose = cuties!
Get a little hognose while you wait for the burmese. They come in albino and all kinds of colors now, too. Cindy

Hognose = cuties!

But can't they be difficult to feed? I don't have a frog to scent mice with, and I don't paticularily want to get one...
Gloria
Hognose = cuties!

But can't they be difficult to feed? I don't have a frog to scent mice with, and I don't paticularily want to get one...

Captive bred Western Hognoses are reliable mouse eaters. It's my impression that hoggies tend to eat like pigs, or not at all, and there's usually a good reason for the anorexia. I got my little guy when he was just a couple of months old, and he was the greediest eater I've ever seen for the first 1 1/2 years, the only time he refused food was his settling in period and just prior to sheds. Indeed, he tried to eat my non-mouse-scented finger a couple of months ago just because he knew a meal was on the way!
However, he stopped eating six weeks ago. This coincided with him starting to cruise his terrarium, above the substrate, in a way that he has never done before. I suspect he's growing up and feeling some unusual adult feelings as the days get longer - any opinion on how long this is going to last?

nj"raging hormones"m
"And then, in the small hours of the morning, as he tossed sleeplessly on his Louis Quinze bed, his giant brain conceived a plan."
But can't they be difficult to feed? I don't have a frog to scent mice with, and I don't paticularily want to get one... Gloria

Just make sure you get a western that's feeding on mice. The eastern hognose are the more difficult.
Cindy
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