Instead of lambasting the flat nosed cats why not come up with some constructive ideas to help the owners of these cats? We have a Persian with a somewhat flat face and we purchased him as a kitten. We wanted a Persian because they are noted for their docile and loving nature, their ability to adjust to indoor living and of course, their beauty. Yes, we would have been happier if he hadn't developed quite such a flat face but we adore him and have figured out ways to help him eat comfortably.

My husband built a platform that is raised off of the floor about 2 inches. This helps Archie to eat without having to stick his whole face into his food and water bowls. Also, we feed him his wet food on a flat saucer. Archie is very intelligent (another trait of Persians) and can sit up on command, walks on a leash, travels well in our motorhome and has generally added greatly to our lives. We searched the various pet rescue centers, humane societies, etc.

but just couldn't find a likely candidate for our mobile life style. In our younger days we rescued many cats. All of them had some trait that made them less than enjoyable. This time we purchased a cat and are very satisfied with the results.
Gigi
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Instead of lambasting the flat nosed cats why not come up with someconstructive ideas to help the owners of these cats? We have a Persian with asomewhat flat face and we purchased him as a kitten.

I do feel sorry for the cats, but I am inclined to let those of you who have
actively supported the breeding in of this deformed face by ACTUALLY PAYING THE BREEDERS for them to solve your problems yourselves.

If there was no demand for these pitiful creatures there might be less of them
bred.
We weren't lambasting the flat nosed cats, but rather the practice of breeding them.
We have a Persian with a somewhat flat face and we purchased him as a kitten. We wanted a Persian because they are noted for their docile and loving nature, their ability to adjust to indoor living and of course, their beauty.

My cats having very loving natures and are beautiful, and I didn't have to buy them. I'd rather give a good loving home to cats from a shelter. But that's just me I guess.
Yes, we would have been happier if he hadn't developed quite such a flat face but we adore him and ... his whole face into his food and water bowls. Also, we feed him his wet food on a flat saucer.

I'm glad you've figured out a way for your cat to eat comfortably. But I feel it's sad that a cat has been bred where it's necessary to do this.
Archie is very intelligent (another trait of Persians)

I'm sure Archie is very intelligent. My cats are very intelligent too
We searched the various pet rescue centers, humane societies, etc. but just couldn't find a likely candidate for our mobile ... that made them less than enjoyable. This time we purchased a cat and are very satisfied with the results. Gigi

I'm glad you're satisfied with your purchased results. Personally, I'm very satisfied with my rescued kitties Emotion: smile
Lauren

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Instead of lambasting the flat nosed cats why not come up with some constructive ideas to help the owners of these cats?

We have.
We have also given the advice to STOP BUYING THEM so people stop breeding the poor things. Or at least contact the breeders and request a classic. The more people who do that, the more the breeders will get the point. Until people want the classics, the breeders will keep breeding the deformities they call cats.
You want a persian? Adopt one. There are many rescues out there, many of which are breed-specific.
Until people stop buying them, they won't stop breeding them. And Persians certainly aren't the only playful, intelligent cats there are. I have one dumb cat, but the other two are pretty smart. *g*

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We have. We have also given the advice to STOP BUYING THEM so people stop breeding the poor things. Or ... the only playful, intelligent cats there are. I have one dumb cat, but the other two are pretty smart. g*
Good post, kaeli. I didn't like the line the OP wrote about shelter cats having problems, and finally getting a cat she liked by buying one. Maybe this is true for her, but I *guarantee* the people who buy cats at mall pet stores and such are taking as big a risk getting a cat that's been raised under horrid conditions as street cat or relinquished cats that land in shelters. ...there's a puppy mill here who takes *just good enough care of their dogs to stay within legal limits.

They "liquidated" Saturday sellling 250 breeding stock at auction. It was awful but licensed and legal and not a damn thing we could do about it. They used to ship the puppies across the country as soon as they were 8 weeks to wholesalers. Imagine. 250 dogs living their entire lives in a small cage. Don't buy from a pet store, anyone, ever. Please.
Sherry
Good post, kaeli. I didn't like the line the OP wrote about shelter cats having problems, and finally getting a ... risk getting a cat that's been raised under horrid conditions as street cat or relinquished cats that land in shelters.

Don't buy from a pet store, anyone, ever. Please.

Pet store animals are so unhealthy, at least at the malls around here, that it makes me want a law against selling pets in stores. The pet store by me that sells live animals has cats and dogs that appear so ill, it's a wonder people buy them. The purebred cats all have URIs and the dogs all have kennel cough. But because they are being treated, there's no law being broken. Tells you the conditions they came from, though.
Sad.

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Until people want the classics, the breeders will keep breeding the deformities they call cats.

Are you actually arguing that breeders breed flat-faced Persian cats because that's what people who want to buy Persian cats for pets really want?
Until people want the classics, the breeders will keep breeding the deformities they call cats.

Are you actually arguing that breeders breed flat-faced Persian cats because that's what people who want to buy Persian cats for pets really want?


Yes.
People want them and buy them. If no one wanted them, no one would buy them and most breeders would be out of business. People WANT those kinds of cats. They want them, mostly, because they want a "purebred". Sure, some people who have purebreds really prefer their personality. But don't be fooled. Many, many people just want an ornament or a status symbol. They want whatever is winning in the ring so they can be all proud. If a Persian who won the ribbon is flat-faced, people want that flat-faced cat.
If no one wanted them, no one would buy them. Money talks. And people love a "trend".
Breeders who breed for the love of a breed are few compared to the many who breed for money (BYB/mills), prestige, and/or ego. For those in it for the money, they sell what the public buys. For those who want prestige and an ego boost, if a flat-faced cat wins ribbons, they breed flat-faced cats. Another good example is the travesty that has become the Siamese. In the ring, the beautiful appleheads lose. shakes head
It's a shame.

Did you have a different take on it?

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Yes. People want them and buy them. If no one wanted them, no one would buy them and most ... the ring, the beautiful appleheads lose. shakes head It's a shame. Did you have a different take on it?

Well, yes, but again it's just an opinion. I just haven't met many people who were in the market for a Persian cat who said they wanted the flat-faced kind rather than the doll-faced kind. So IMO I think many people do find doll-faced Persians more appealing and prefer them.
Also, I didn't realize you meant mostly commercial breeders. The only breeders I know are the ones I have met at cat shows, and they breed according to breed standards, not to meet public demand for certain types of kittens.
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