I was asked about this by a woman I know who adopted a flat-nosed Himalayan (sp?). Is there a particular kind of bowl or food that is best for such a cat? He has a harder time eating his food. She just got the Royal Canin for Persians, but I don't know if that is for Persians due to their flat faces, or some kind of special dietary requirements? Anybody?? Thanks! Emotion: smile
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I was asked about this by a woman I know who adopted a flat-nosed Himalayan (sp?). Is there a particular ... if that is for Persians due to their flat faces, or some kind of special dietary requirements? Anybody?? Thanks! Emotion: smile

Flat-faced or brachycephalic critters have a lot less mouth space in which to fit the same number of teeth as their cohorts of normal skull structure. The crowding leads to increased problems with plaque, tartar, oral health in general.
So if I had an extreme Himi or Persian I'd be quite eager to get him or her on a good dental diet. Since the only commercial "dental diets" are kibbles, and we can generally agree that food with a high moisture content is best for cats, I think that a diet based on meaty bones would be MY first line of offense if I owned such a cat.

I think that Royal Canin's food is specific to the cat's long hair more than its awkward skull structure.
-Alison in OH
I was asked about this by a woman I know ... or some kind of special dietary requirements? Anybody?? Thanks! Emotion: smile

Flat-faced or brachycephalic critters have a lot less mouth space in which to fit the same number of teeth as their cohorts of normal skull structure. The crowding leads to increased problems with plaque, tartar, oral health in general.

I wonder if Persians always had this problem or if it's just from the way they've been bred. It must be hard for them to breath with that pushed in nose.

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I wonder if Persians always had this problem or if it's just from the way they've been bred. It must be hard for them to breath with that pushed in nose.

Originally, Persians did not have snub faces and looked very much like Angoras. They were gradually bred that way over time, and the "doll- face" still exists in some places, though is not nearly as popular as the flat face and I'm not sure if American clubs allow it as standard.

IMO, it is much more attractive. I don't know why they would breed for such a flat face.
Here's some pics of the doll-face variety of Persian as well as some brief history. The last link shows that some people do still breed for the doll-face rather than the flat-face.
http://www.thecatsite.com/cat breeds/breeds.php?a=persian http://www.traditionalcats.com/BreedInfo/FAQTPersian/PersianHistory.htm http://www.rockymountainpersians.com/doll face persians

They do have a lot more breathing problems with that flattened facial structure from everything I've read. IMO, Purposefully breeding animals to be brachycephalic is cruel. It's like breeding for deformity.

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I wonder if Persians always had this problem or if ... be hard for them to breath with that pushedin nose.

Originally, Persians did not have snub faces and looked very much like Angoras. They were gradually bred that way over ... shows that some people do still breed for the doll-face rather than the flat-face. http://www.thecatsite.com/cat breeds/breeds.php?a=persian http://www.traditionalcats.com/BreedInfo/FAQTPersian/PersianHistory.htm http://www.rockymountainpersians.com/doll face persians

I have a book with lots of the old Persian photos in it,, what a beautiful cat it WAS.. my friend has a Ragdoll x Persians which look just like the old Persians ... NO flat faced, they are beautiful looking cats.
I wonder if Persians always had this problem or if it's just from the way they've been bred. It must be hard for them to breath with that pushed in nose.

They have been bred for the flat face (or what I think of as a "pushed-in" face), and I don't understand why. The Persians I saw when I was growing up were truly beautiful. Now they have this constant, bred-in disgruntled or angry look. I think this is the reason I prefer the looks of mixed-breed cats with some Persian, not th purebred Persians (plus, I value the idea of adopting mixed-breed cats from shelters). More important than looks, now they have breathing problems that the original Persians did not have.

MaryL
I was asked about this by a woman I know ... or some kind of special dietary requirements? Anybody?? Thanks! Emotion: smile

Flat-faced or brachycephalic critters have a lot less mouth space in which to fit the same number of teeth as ... that Royal Canin's food is specific to the cat's long hair more than its awkward skull structure. -Alison in OH

Alison,
Thanks for the tips. I don't think this woman is going to be going down the meaty bones route, but I'll pass along the info anyway. I think the cat is actually having more trouble getting the food in his mouth than "normal" cats. Any ideas?
It's really sinful how they've bred PKD into persians along with the ugly face. It should be condemned. A friend of mine breeds poodles and was looking into finding a stud for her newest standard poodle *** and found one she really likes. The problem is, the breeder will only allow her stud to mate with Labs. She breeds Labradoodles. My friend is completely against this.
http://www.bc-labradoodles.com /
http://www.traditionalcats.com/BreedInfo/FAQTPersian/PersianHistory.ht m
"Beautiful Duchess" looks like a lion! The more I look, there are a lot of old photos where they look like lions with a full mane. I love the look of the old persians much better than the way they look now.
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