Don't mind me. I'm just feeling a little frustrated. Please read this through carefully if you're going to read the whole thing.

There's this person I've been dealing with, who owns snakes and other herps. They have lost 4 or more snakes in the past year, yet continue to buy more.

They can't even afford to have a necropsy done on any of those that have died-just buries them. They don't even look into the reasons WHY the snakes have died-they just go buy new ones.
On top of all this, this person is in contant competancy with other people. It seems as if they only buy select herps because other people have them, or "better" herps and then brag about it.
Now I understand talking about them, and showing them off a little, but the bragging to the point of pointing other people's herps out and saying they are ugly, or common (common being used to denote "worthless") is just frustrating.
Now said person knows another person who wants a cobra as a pet and thinks it would be really cool. (I've already tried to tell them its not a good idea and gave up) I and a few others feel that having a cobra takes alot of training and knowledge-none of which the cobra-person wants to do.

I'd like to just ignore this whole thing altogether, and maybe I will. I guess I just don't want to see another statistic-or another snake die-because of the negligence here.
Has anyone else dealt with this? If it was just online, I might be able to just pass and ignore all this. Unfortunately this person happens to be involved in a group I am, and that makes it all the harder-especially when it is possibly affecting my friendship with others in the group. I'm not going to name names, and I don't want anyone trying to "guess" who the person is, as I could be missing the whole picture and don't want to slander anyone-the words here are just my humble opinion.
What would you do?
-cat
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Ok, now that a re-read that whole thing, I realize I can't spell Emotion: smile oh well.

-cat
What would you do? -cat

Mind my own business, studiously avoid the person at all costs, and pray that he gets his cobra and it makes a statistic of HIM.

Cindy
What would you do? -cat

Mind my own business, studiously avoid the person at all costs, and pray that he gets his cobra and it makes a statistic of HIM. Cindy

I think that is exactly what I am going to do. Just distance myself from these people and make some friends who act a little more adult.

-cat
Now said person knows another person who wants a cobra as a pet and thinks it would be really cool. (I've already tried to tell them its not a good idea and gave up)

Clarification: they are boyfriend and girlfriend.
I'd like to just ignore this whole thing altogether, and maybe I will. What would you do?

Intervention... or butting out? That is MY question. I do not have an answer prepared.
Let me know if you come up with any really great intervention ideas and I'll jump on the bandwagon. :>
fr0glet

"You cannot be an objective scientist if you have an agenda." ~The Madman
See that is why I asked it on here. I was trying to keep it anonymous and just get ideas.
For now, I think I'm just going to take a step back and let them do their thing, and not deal with either person for the time being. Its easier that way. I'm no good with intervention without making it seem like I'm telling someone how to live.
This is why I used to just not deal with socializing in the first place. Bah.
-cat
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See that is why I asked it on here. I was trying to keep it anonymous and just get ideas. ... how to live. This is why I used to just not deal with socializing in the first place. Bah. -cat

I kinda thought this sounded like a herp club problem when I read the first post. My little radar went off. This is a fairly long story, but it has a point.
When I was president of our society, I had a GREAT vice-president. I mean, this guy, was the most energetic, motivated person I had ever met when it came to going out and doing educational programs and speaking to the public and coming to meetings.
He was also experienced with venomous snakes, had them in another state, and had them here as well. He headed up our Nuisance Removal Program that we ran as well. We sent him out to discuss venomous snakes with Boy Scout and Girl Scout troops before they went on camping trips. This guy was terrific.

Then we found out he was taking venomous snakes with him to these adventures. At first it was just, "Let me take them in locked containers, I won't take them out, the kids need to see what they look like." Now mind you, here in Florida, there are bukoo regulations on taking venomous snakes out into public...heck, you need a license just to show non-venomous snakes! He did not have the proper insurance or bond to be taking them out in public. We asked him to stop.
Then we found out that he was taking them out to educational outreach programs anyway. One of our Girl Scout Troops called us up to tell us how terrific their presentation was. They had never seen a rattlesnake handled before!
That was it! I pulled him aside one day, and told him that if did not quite taking venomous snakes to presentations that he would be asked to step down from his position. He was doing it illegally and irresponsibly and it was endangering people and setting a bad example for the society. He agreed and I thought all was well.Just a few days later, while we were running a new program for the public, I got the news from one of the people attending. A co-worker of his came up to me to ask about how our vice-president was doing. I was confused. It turned out that he had been bitten by one of his Eastern Diamondbacks, during a presentation that he had arranged to give at his workplace, on..you guessed it...Safety around native, wild snakes.

I was furious, concerned and all of the above. Even though he did the presentation ,on his own time', he wore a reptile society t-shirt and told them that he was the VP. Leading everyone to believe that he was doing the presentation for us. He was trying to put one of the rattlesnakes back into it's container, when it slipped through his hand and snag him between the thumb and forefinger.

Then the clincher, he called someone in the society to get the venomous snakes out of his house, because he didn't want the authorities to find out he was keeping them. It turned out that he didn't even have venomous license for this state!! I was livid!!
He spent quite some time in the hospital, was removed from his position, and had never regained proper use of his hand from what I have heard. We stayed on speaking terms for a while after the incident. He was remorseful, said he would never keep venomous snakes again, he had learned his lesson...blah blah blah. He was eventually asked not to come back to the reptile society for other reasons. Later on I found out that he was back to keeping venomous snakes again. And now, I am involved in a court case because of him and this incident, as a witness.
The points:

1) Yes, it is very likely this could eventually erupt and have badconsequences for your reptile society.
2) No, you will not be able to do anything about it. Even if you are verygood friends with the people, like I was with the VP, you would probably not change their mind. I mean look at the guy I am talking about...coming close to death wasn't enough to keep him from keeping them all over again.
I'd like to just ignore this whole thing altogether, and maybe I will. I guess I just don't want to ... whole picture and don't want to slander anyone-the words here are just my humble opinion. What would you do? -cat

Damned if you do Damned if you dont..Rock and a Hard place.. It comes down to personal conviction and conscience.

Do you ignore it and disassociate yourself from these people and later hear that a horrible accident happened? or never hear from them again.

Do you get in the middle and stir up a hornets nest to "do the right thing"?Involve the local authorities and the courts?

You will need to do enough to satisfy you mental well being. Unless you can see into the future..you'll never know.

As the movie "A few good men" goes...
"I strenuously object?" Is that how it's done? Hm? "Objection, your Honor." "Overruled" "No, no. I STRENUOUSLY object." "Oh. You strenuously object. Then I'll take some time and reconsider."
You said they were in a "group" you are in.Have you gone to the group leaders and expressed your concern?
Are there local laws pertaining to this type of reptile?

This isnt as simple as walking your mean dog off his leash...it's a friggin' Cobra.This fellow has already "lost" snakes in the past,what is the chance that he is having escapes as well?
I dont know any of these people..and I dont want him to have a Cobra.

Tough spot...I'm not saying I would do any of the suggestions above...I would have to make some gut decisions too.
Good luck,
AD
Nope, didn't think that. I agree with you-although I don't have hot experience, but if I ever choose to get hot experience, I'm going to do so with someone who has worked with them for a long time. Not just going out to play with rattlesnakes in the grass and considering that experience enough to own a cobra.
I told them both what I thought of their ideas, and got flamed, hence my 'over-critical' statement. For now, I'm just going to step back, let them do their thing, and I'll find other people who are a little more grown up to deal with.
-cat
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