I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my students that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I thought I'd share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training concepts.

DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW
You see your dog with your couch cushion in her mouth, the stuffing hanging out. You call her, and she runs to you with the cushion still in her mouth. What do you do?
Most students exclaim, "Kill her!" and everybody laughs.

Then I ask, "How many seconds do you have as a window for your dog to associate your reaction to her behavior?" (I talk about this before I give the example.) You can see the dawning lights as they murmur, "Three seconds. Oh, wow. I just punished her for coming to me, right?"
VARIABLE SCHEDULE
Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling that lever? If every time you pulled the lever you got a jackpot, sure, you'd keep pulling. But how much fun would it be? Would it be exciting or boring? The excitement comes from never knowing when the expected jackpot will come. That's what makes gambling an addiction - you know it's going to happen at some point, but you never know when, so you're motivated to keep trying.

EXTINCTION BURST
This one I read somewhere, possibly here.
If every time you clapped your hands I gave you a $20 bill, what would you do? ("Keep clapping!") Right. What if I suddenly stopped giving you the money? Would you give up right away? ("Not right away.") Nope, you'd think, "Hey, this always worked before. Maybe if I clap harder. Or faster. Or closer to your face." In other words, the behavior would get more intense as you tried to get the same reaction from the same action. After a while, you'd realize that it No Longer Works, and you'd stop. But... what if I give in before you do, and hand you a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on - "Oh, that I just have to keep trying harder!")
By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's exactly how I raised my kids!" I tell them, "See, you knew all along how to train a dog." :}
I tell the moms that if they're at a loss for how to react to something their dog does, to think what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2 year old human. It will probably work on the dog.
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I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my students that result in visible light bulbs igniting ... $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on - "Oh, that I just have to keep trying harder!")

Good analogies, IMO! And when you combine variable scedule of reinforcement with extinction burst, you can see that the extinction is going to take a lot longer if you've given in occasionally to your dog's bad behavior when she is begging at the table, jumping, bolting out the front door, etc. The dog isn't accustomed to getting reinforcement on every trial anyhow, so of course she is going to persist longer.

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Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

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I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to mystudents that result in visible light bulbs igniting over ... what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2year old human. It will probably work on the dog.

I just had to answer this email. Everything you have written in this post was right, did you copy it from somewhere? How about "I practice what I preach?"
Would you allow your child / children to play in your garden unsupervised with the garden not sercurley fenced and a locked gate?

If your child "escaped" from your garden and crossed a road would you call that child across the road or would you cross the road and make sure it crossed the road sefely?
I'm sorry Leah but your posts are so contradictive, it's a case of, "Do as I say not as I do" I hope none of your students read these newsgroups for your sake. I suggest you practice what you preach.
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I just had to answer this email. Everything you have written in this post was right, did you copy it from somewhere?

No, I just happen to not be quite as stupid as you would like to persist in believing, and I also know more about dog training and behavior than you'd like to admit.
If your child "escaped" from your garden and crossed a road would you call that child across the road or would you cross the road and make sure it crossed the road sefely?

My child would hopefully know the command "Stay right there and don't move!"

Because of this incident, and the consciousness-raising it did in me, I am starting to encourage my students to teach a distance "down." It's not in the curriculum, but it is an important safety measure. I will do it with my dogs, too.
The best shot of getting my dog back quickly and safely this time was a recall. If it should ever happen again, I'll have a better option.

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I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to mystudents that result in visible light bulbs igniting over ... of similar analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and trainingconcepts. DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW

True I accept that.
You see your dog with your couch cushion in her mouth, the stuffinghanging out. You call her, and she runs to you with the cushion still in hermouth. What do you do?

Not a damn thing if you did not see her killing it then you cannot correct it.
give her a pat for coming to you.
Most students exclaim, "Kill her!" and everybody laughs. Then I ask, "How many seconds do you have as a window ... can see the dawning lights as they murmur, "Three seconds. Oh, wow.I just punished her for coming to me, right?"

1.5 with a 4 second attention span but your impressing me Leah keep going.
VARIABLE SCHEDULE Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling thatlever? If every time you ... a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on -"Oh, that I just have to keep trying harder!")

It is called Behaviour Exticntion good method mut you need to incorporate it wit pos and neg as well damn your getting good at this.
By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's exactly how I raised my ... on the dog. PetsMart Pet Trainer My Kids, My Students, My Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/myhomepage/index.html Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

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No, I just happen to not be quite as stupid as you would like to persist in believing, and I also know more about dog training and behaviour than you'd like
to admit.
Ok I will put you to the test Leah.
Everyone will have to shut up then.
What is the fastest way to extinguish a dogs behaviour and why?

This could be anything it is just a general question.

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Leah~
I went to your site. I did not picture you like this at all.

Did you just cut your hair recently?
Paulette~
Get his attention off what he is doing and on to you by being ever so fascinating.
Works for me and my pups.
Paulette~
Wrong.

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