I am still having problems with fleas on my dog Muttley. I am learning more about flea control as I read posts here, and also from some web sites and other sources. My vet sold me a tube of Frontline. She said it was much better than the Hatz product I applied around the first of August, and apparently there have been lawsuits against Hartz about their product.

She also suggested that I give Muttley a bath with flea soap or shampoo, and then apply the Frontline about two days later. I have had Muttley since mid February and have not yet given him a bath. So, I got some flea shampoo and tried to get Muttley to get into the bathtub, but he would not. Even when I got into the tub, he would not come in with me, so the best I could do was splash some water on him and try to brush him a bit. Certainly not satisfactory.
I do have an outside hose, but it is cold water with very high pressure. Also, where it is located there is mostly dirt and no sidewalk or patio, so I can just see him rolling in the mud if I try to bathe him there. I'm thinking about getting a children's wading pool big enough for him to get in, and maybe running a hose from inside the house with warm water. Is this a good idea? Any other suggestions?
I'm really hoping to find someone who can adopt Muttley, so my cat can come out from hiding and be my friend and companion once again. I am very fond of Muttley, and he is slowly becoming more trustworthy and obedient, but it will be difficult for me to complete my major renovation work with him around. I originally intended only to keep him for a while, but my initial efforts to find someone to adopt him did not pan out and I hoped to be able to keep him. Now I need to control these fleas and give him a bath so he will be more presentable.
Thanks,
Paul
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She also suggested that I give Muttley a bath with flea soap or shampoo, and then apply the Frontline about ... best I could do was splash some water on him and try to brush him a bit. Certainly not satisfactory.

I use Frontline without bathing the dogs. It is supposed to spread in the oil on their skin. It is plenty effective for me. If you can't give Muttley a bath easily, I suggest you just apply the Frontline and not worry about it.

Amy Dahl
I am still having problems with fleas on my dog Muttley. I am learningmore about flea control as I read ... Now I need to control these fleas and give him a bath so he will be more presentable. Thanks, Paul==

Take the dog to a groomer and have them bathe and groom the dog. Tell them the dog has fleas. Then buy some Frontline Plus from your Vet and use that once a month.
She said it was much better than the Hatz product I applied around the first of August, and apparently there have been lawsuits against Hartz about their product.

I had a cat nearly killed (he suffered permanent CNS damage) from a cat-specific flea treatment manufactured by Hartz Mountain. According to my vet, this was not by any means an isolated incident. I haven't used a Hartz Mountain product since then, nor would I recommend their products to others.
In dealing with your flea problem, remember that fleas spend only a small amount of time on the dog. It is important to treat the home, yard, etc. as well. Your vet should be able to provide, or at least give you the names of, appropriated products.
She also suggested that I give Muttley a bath with flea soap or shampoo, and then apply the Frontline about ... best I could do was splash some water on him and try to brush him a bit. Certainly not satisfactory.

I should think not. I don't know how big Muttley is, but did you try picking him up and placing him in the tub? I wouldn't leave the "to bathe or not to bathe" decision up to him, if it were me.

If you cannot lift him, I would recommend bathing him outside with warm water (you can buy a very cheap hose adapter for your sink wherever waterbed accessories are sold). If he is not cooperative, make sure to restrain him.
Your only other alternative is to pay someone to bathe him for you.
I do have an outside hose, but it is cold water with very high pressure. Also, where it is located ... sidewalk or patio, so I can just see him rolling in the mud if I try to bathe him there.

Who is in charge at your house, and why would you allow him to do that?

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In dealing with your flea problem, remember that fleas spend only a small amount of time on the dog. It is important to treat the home, yard, etc. as well.

I have heard this said many times since I first started taking responsibility for dog and cat care. While eggs, pupae, and larvae live elsewhere than on the dog, I don't believe in the "jump on, bite the dog, jump off" scenario. My observations suggest fleas spend a lot of time on the animal (dog or cat). Infested or "weakened" individuals can have clusters of fleas that seem to stay in a small area.
If your home is infested, one of the newer treatments that contains hormones that prevent the development of flea larvae is a good idea. It will not appear to act immediately, as adult fleas can continue to emerge from pupae for a year or more.
Since the advent of Frontline, however, I have quit treating the house and kennel. We just have no fleas. My vet contends that there is no benefit of the "Plus" ingredients, since they act on larvae which are not on the dog or cat. She sells the plain Frontline; I use it, and it's extremely effective.

My vet also says it's better not to bathe a dog prior to applying Frontline, as it will remove most of the oil which helps the product spread. One of the keys to effectiveness, I have found, is to put the stuff on slowly, so that as much as possible goes on the skin rather than forming a big pool of liquid that wets the hair.
Amy Dahl
I have heard this said many times since I first started taking responsibility for dog and cat care. While eggs, ... (dog or cat). Infested or "weakened" individuals can have clusters of fleas that seem to stay in a small area.

I've seen infestations of fleas where you could actually them hopping around on the furniture and carpets. With that sort of infestation, there's no way that the number of fleas in the environment could possibly spend most of their time on the animal.
Since the advent of Frontline, however, I have quit treating the house and kennel. We just have no fleas.

That has been my experience. I haven't seen a flea since Elliott was a puppy (~12 years ago). He came to me infested. After that initial problem was taken care of, fleas have been a non-issue on all of my dogs and cats.
One thing my former vet advised, once the flea infestation was under control, was to rotate the application of flea topicals from one pet to the next. Her opinion was that treating just one pet in the home at a time was enough to keep everyone protected. And, the rotation meant that no single animal was getting treated month after month.
My vet contends that there is no benefit of the "Plus" ingredients, since they act on larvae which are not on the dog or cat. She sells the plain Frontline; I use it, and it's extremely effective.

I haven't even used Frontline in, I think, 5 years. The only product I've used lately is amitraz collars for the dog(s). And, not even that this past year, as it's easy to spot the little SOBs on a nekkid dog and pluck them off before they've had a chance to get comfortable.
My vet also says it's better not to bathe a dog prior to applying Frontline, as it will remove most of the oil which helps the product spread.

That is my understanding. They need sufficient coat oil in order to work.
One of the keys to effectiveness, I have found, is to put the stuff on slowly, so that as much as possible goes on the skin rather than forming a big pool of liquid that wets the hair.

I was advised by my vet to apply it to short-haired dogs (Harriet is a Boxer) in a stripe from between the shoulders to the base of the tail. I don't know whether that would have affected it's efficacy against fleas, as I was using it solely for tick control at that point.

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I was advised by my vet to apply it to short-haired dogs (Harriet is a Boxer) in a stripe from ... that would have affected it's efficacy against fleas, as I was using it solely for tick control at that point.

I have only been able to measure its efficacy against ticks. When I started using the Frontline, some of the dogs got ticks and we put amitraz collars on them. As I've improved my technique of putting it on, we've seen fewer ticks. Last summer I threw away a bunch of unused amitraz collars that had been sitting around for years I haven't needed them.
I do still apply Frontline monthly during tick season. The dogs swim every day, and I figure exposure to fipronil is preferable to getting a tick-borne disease.
Amy Dahl
As I've improved my technique of putting it on, we've seen fewer ticks. Last summer I threw away a bunch of unused amitraz collars that had been sitting around for years I haven't needed them.

You said you apply Frontline slowly, so that it can soak in. Do you apply it just between the shoulders, or also at the base of the tail? (I'm filing this away for eventual hairy-dog acquisition.)
I do still apply Frontline monthly during tick season. The dogs swim every day, and I figure exposure to fipronil is preferable to getting a tick-borne disease.

For sure! I'm not phobic about using either chemical. Ticks are pure evil. I was less than impressed with Frontline as a tick preventative, though. It worked well the first year I was in the boonies, but the second year, I found attached ticks. Ugh. It may well be that the application advice from my vet was bad, though on a dog like Harriet, it's hard for me to think of how else to apply it.

This has been a very light tick year, so I've only found a couple of ticks, total. Harriet is light colored and they show up well against her coat, so I've had no trouble plucking them off before they've been able to attach. In other circumstances, or with another dog, I would be using collars or revisiting the Frontline issue.

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I am still having problems with fleas on my dog Muttley. I am learningmore about flea control as I read ... Now I need to control these fleas and give him a bath so he will be more presentable. Thanks, Paul

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Years ago someone told me to never use Hartz, but I can't remember the reason why. I never used it again, though. I don't know if it was because they tested their product on bunnies' eyes or that it had something poisonous in it or both.
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