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I sometimes play with them with my hands, but I didn't when they were kittens, and they were being socialized. Now if I play with them using my hands, their claws never come out. I trained them, but I didn't use physical punishment.

The lesson that has to be instilled early is "no claws allowed."

Yep, my cats don't use their claws and I never had to use physical abuse on them.

Respectfully, you are a silly woman. To be consistant, owners of long haired cats who have them shampooed, fluffed, and spritzed with sweet smelling foo foo every couple of weeks are also "abusive." ;-)

~~Philip
"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
My review of Soft Paws. I used to apply them to hundreds of cats when I worked for a feline vet practice. DO NOT declaw your cat. It is unnecessary, inhumane and may create problems which are MUCH worse than scratching.
-L.
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Soft Paws
Description: A set of rubber nail covers which are glued to the nail, after trimming, with a super-glue-like substance. They are used to keep the kitty from scratching things that may be damaged by unaltered nails.
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Pros:
They are really, really easy to apply if kitty cooperates, and will let you trim her nails easily. They take about 5-8 minutes to apply, once you get the hang of it.
They are relatively inexpensive (about $10-12/set, if applied at the vet, and they last 1-3 months.) They are even less expensive if you buy your own kit and apply them at home.
They do not interfere with normal claw usage, but protect things you do not want scratched, fairly effectively.
Some cats do very, very well with them.
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Cons:
Some cats detest them, and will fight you tooth and nail (excuse the pun) when you try to apply them.
Some cats pull them off easily.
The glue is very sticky, and will stick to and damage any surface it encounters (including human skin).
If the glue touches any skin while wet (human or cat), it burns. It is fairly caustic.
Some cats are allergic to the glue.
If the nail is trimmed too short, the glue can damage the nail bed, which results in a crusty/ill formed nail, when the nail grows out. They work best of the nail is trimmed fairly short, and if the glue is applied in the inner 2/3 of the cap, before application.

The caps need to be fitted properly. Many technicians tend to use caps that are too large, and then the cat is constantly fighting with the caps, as they "feel" awkward. (Or they chew them off!) One cat may need more than one size of caps to accomodate all nails on the foot (e.g. mediums on all nails except 'pinky", which needs a small).

The caps need to be applied quickly after the glue is applied...the glue dries very quickly. This can be tricky for beginners.

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Overall impression: I think trimming nails often (every 1-2 weeks) is a better, more wholistic solution to scratching problems, than Softpaws. If you are unable to do this, SoftPaws may be a solution for you. Overall, it is a good product, but may not be good for every cat.
Sorry, but I find grabbing a cat by the scruff ... very playful. They are not bullied or physically punished either.

Sorry but better the undesired behavior be delt with early on than to have a house cat that bites and ... in your home that is thoroughly discontented with the food and accommodations, (5) hurling the cat thru a glass window.

I agree with numbers 1 and 2. Sometime number 3 works. But I do agree it shouldn't be done if it is only prolonging the animal's suffering. I've never experienced number 4 and 5 is a given.
And you think a little dunk under the kitchen faucet is cruel? LOL.

Yes, I do. There are other ways to deal with a cat that scratches. I've had cats over 40 years and I've never had to do something like this to a cat. Maybe it's because of the way I treat them, that they don't scratch me.
Our cats (including the present one) are well adjusted to living with us humans in our house. But Rusty might hop up on the back of the chair you're sitting in and paw thru your hair .. looking for bugs. ;-)

Rusty sounds very cute but I still don't agree with your training method.

Lauren

See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
I sometimes play with them with my hands, but I ... and I never had to use physical abuse on them.

Respectfully, you are a silly woman. To be consistant, owners of long haired cats who have them shampooed, fluffed, and spritzed with sweet smelling foo foo every couple of weeks are also "abusive." ;-) ~~Philip

I may be silly but it has nothing to do with my gender. My husband doesn't treat our cats with physical punishment either. They don't scratch him. So if being kind to animals is being silly, then we'll take being silly.

Lauren

See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
"You must not play with your cats with your (bare) hands?" What nonsense! Cat's who want to play with ... instilled early is "no claws allowed." "Time outs" for cats? Hahhahhaa. Yeah, right. I tried that approach years ago.

Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.
Why is it people feel the need to begin name-calling ("silly woman" in another of your posts) and degrading other training methods when their own come into question? If yours were that great, you could espouse the benefits instead of deriding other methods. Not all methods work for all people or all animals. Fact of life.
I use time-outs and I play with my 3 fully-clawed cats with my hands. I also use the tap on the nose or a light scruff shake with a "no" for overly rough behaviour. I have never needed to dunk a cat in water to get a point across. I also play rough with my 60 pound dog. Time-outs are used for over-rough biting behavior there as well. My pets are all happy and playful and love to cuddle.
I would never use dunking as punishment for my cats. Baths are made to be as pleasant as possible. I have allergies and they need baths every month. If I used water to punish them, it would be rather counter- productive.

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Only one reply that I read (from "L") mentioned trimming the nails. I had posted that when I brought home my 8 week old kitten , Pickles, she was all teeth and nails. I was constantly trimming those nails. (About every week) When she did a painful scratch I let out a yelp but after a while I noticed that she just began using her pads on me. She seemed to learn this on her own. The biting has also almost stopped. She is now 7 months old. Get a cat claw clipper and if you have never done this get the vet to show you how for the first time so you don't clip too much and start some bleeding.

Declawing is so terrible. I found a stray in the street that had been declawed. Now, 13 years later she still tries to sharpen her claws. She rubs her pads over the top of the scratch pad to make the same noise as if she were really doing it. When I bring home a new scratch pad she is the first to use it. I feel so bad about that and wish I could give her back her claws.

Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
Barb,
Thats such a sad story about your cat wanting to sharpen he non-existant claws. I'd never declaw a cat.
When we first had our cat, he did 'test' us to see what he could and couldnt get away with i.e. scratching the sofa, but with training of a loud 'NO' and 'Badcat' he knows if he's doing wrong and stops immediately.

Becky
I may be silly but it has nothing to do with my gender. My husband doesn't treat our cats with physical punishment either. They don't scratch him. So if being kind to animals is being silly, then we'll take being silly. Lauren

I have defined what constitutes abuse. In the name of "love" or "kindness" there are people on this forum comitting real abuse. It is good that your pet doesn't claw either of you but.... it would be "interesting" if the cat decided to test your resolve. Hehehhehe.
~~Philip
"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
Rusty sounds very cute but I still don't agree with your training method. Lauren

That's ok Lauren, YOU don't have to. :-) The ends justify the training means. There are no Barnum & Bailey-like beatings going on so stop imagining such is the case. Rusty's house manners are exceptional as is his health, and "interactions" with my wife and I, let alone unsuspecting guests. Hehehhe. He won't believe there are no bugs in your wig until he inspects for himself. ;-)
~~Philip
"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
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