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OK these are just thoughts from someone who probably has no idea what she's talking about, but...
If this were a training exercise, the advice would be "interupt the bad behaviour, reward the good." Sounds like you're trying this but need an effective "interupt." What about a remote collar? One of the sound/citronella/mild shock kind. that would allow you to find the amount of distraction needed to stop him when he lifts his leg close to Fancy. As soon as his leg goes down, click&treat. When he pees outside without marking Fancy click&treat big-time.
Inside, the bellybands or crating, I guess.
As for Fancy, does she even like baths? (Most boxers I've met seem to think water is a Great Evil) Could the multiple baths be why she seems down?

Sorry if I've wasted your time. Good Luck.
Marie
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OK these are just thoughts from someone who probably has no idea what she's talking about, but... If this were a ... Great Evil) Could the multiple baths be why she seems down? Sorry if I've wasted your time. Good Luck. Marie

You didn't waste the time, but I think she's afraid of sending the wrong message and make the dog feel that pottying outside is the wrong thing to do. Which is a concern. Dogs don't generalize well. I'd continue with the belly bad and pad it with super absorbant diapers. And make him wear them wet for a bit. Perhaps he will biofeed back when he discovers it's uncomfortable.
But I'd definitely get a kidney profile done.
He sounds like he's peeing way too much, unless he's one of those stress drinkers.
If they do, they find the sensation unpleasant, and the urinating should stop shortly. In any case, it should save bathing Fancy.

Yes except now Joe Joe is a bit soiled Emotion: smile
Reka is now at the one year mark after losing Danny, and she's just now recovering her footing.

Aww, dogs can be funny that way. Some act like nothing of significance ever happened, some go nutty for a few weeks and others for as long as a year. I know someone who swears their dog has never recovered from the loss of its companion. I think the dog was 6 when the companion died and its been at least 3 years since then.

Tara
Yeah, I did catch the concern about "peeing outside is bad," but I was thinking that the c&t for the good behaviour would (hopefully) counteract that. Besides (and once again, I may have no idea what I'm talking about) If curing the marking behaviour led to a situation where housetraining was broken, rehousetraining wouldn't lead to the marking issue arising again, would it? It would be a PITA, I know (sorta two steps forward, one step back) but it would save Fancy, wouldn't it?
Marie
I find it hard to believe he didn't mark previously also. But He may be trying to establish dominance. I'd give him a real hard dose of NILIF and let him know YOU are the boss.

He established his dominance immediately and he's the only dog Fancy has ever fully submitted to like that without so much as a skirmish. He didn't need to use any physical force either. His previous adoptive family said he'd recently begun trying to exert dominance over their female bully. They also said he did so without using physical aggression. When he fostered here a year ago he was dominant then too but since he didn't mark other dogs it didn't seem as blatant then.

Tara
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If they do, they find the sensation unpleasant, and the urinating should stop shortly. In any case, it should save bathing Fancy.

Yes except now Joe Joe is a bit soiled Emotion: smile

Better Joe Joe than Fancy. Soiling Fancy doesn't bother him at all. But if he gets soiled, and stays soiled long enough for him to get a light bulb momment, perhaps that will change.
I'd have him tested for kidney function

I'll take him in tomorrow. I should be able to get a sample in the vet's parking lot since Joe Joe feels the need to mark all 27 bushes there (I know because I counted them two weeks ago thinking he couldn't possibly have anything left in him to mark the next bush with...I was wrong).

I really don't think he has anything medically wrong with him. He seems to be able to hold it just fine in the house, for hours on end, without getting the least bit fidgety. He can go outside then go 10 more times in the space of a half hour. He will urinate fully in the morning but that's the longest I ever see him go. He drinks excessively per drinking but he doesn't visit the water bowl often enough for the total accumulation to be considered excessive.
My very unprofessional impression is that he's just so into marking that he's always gone/urinated in spurts, leaving enough in his bladder to enable a good handful of markings while he's outside. I mean, you never know what new & unexplored territory he may come upon and being empty just wouldn't do! IOW it seems to be a formed habit, maybe out of the need to mark, maybe just because he was raised as an outside dog in the country who was allowed to run acreage.

Tara
OK these are just thoughts from someone who probably has no idea what she's talking about, but...

Some of the most valuable things I've ever learned have come from people who didn't think they knew what they were talking about Emotion: smile
If this were a training exercise, the advice would be "interupt the bad behaviour, reward the good." Sounds like you're trying this but need an effective "interupt."

My voice alone is an effective interrupt but I'm fearing that interrupting any outside urination at all may prove counterproductive later.
What about a remote collar? One of the sound/citronella/mild shock kind. that would allow you to find the amount of ... close to Fancy. As soon as his leg goes down, click&treat. When he pees outside without marking Fancy click&treat big-time.

I think its a logical suggestion but I'm very much afraid of confusing him. He, being both boy & Boxer, come easily become confused. Why is it right here, on this grass, but not right there on that grass? Why is it good right now at this time but not good 15 minutes ago at that time? Why does she interfere sometimes then not interfere & give me treats at others? I don't believe he'll see any association to Fancy.
Inside, the bellybands or crating, I guess.[/nq]He's showing to have no problems peeing in the bands then laying down in them, spreading the wetness to whatever part of his body and floor/ground the band touches. He spends alot of time lounging in his crate when inside. Its his favorite nap spot and he's only ever enclosed in it when I leave the house. However, I haven't noticed a problem inside. I have found 3 spots of urination which I believe to be Joe Joe's because his urine smells more strongly than Fancy's but I don't know how/when/why they occurred.

I suspect one was a marking incident because I'd found a spot on the carpet, assumed it was urine, cleaned it with Nature's Miracle & placed a clean towel over the spot to absorb the wetness. The next day I smelled urine and found that somedog had peed on the clean towel I'd laid on the Nature's Miracle spot.
As for Fancy, does she even like baths? (Most boxers I've met seem to think water is a Great Evil) Could the multiple baths be why she seems down?

Could be. Fancy hates water...period! I can't stop bathing her though if he won't stop urinating on her. Not only do we pet her (and the urine dries invisibly so you don't know you've rubbed your hand in it til its too late) but we allow her on the furniture, both of which create a sanitation problem. I cannot imagine that she likes having his smell on her either so there's nothing else to do but clean her after each incident. The problem is that we don't always know when its happened. Scott told me that when he bathed Fancy last week she had what looked to be 4 distinct markings on her going from her nub to her shoulder blades and down one side of her body. He'd managed to mark her that many times without us knowing.
Sorry if I've wasted your time. Good Luck.

You certainly didn't waste my time. I'm looking for something to grab onto, something that might just work that I hadn't thought of or found recommended on the web. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Tara
I'd continue with the belly bad and pad it with super absorbant diapers. And make him wear them wet for a bit. Perhaps he will biofeed back when he discovers it's uncomfortable.

I dunno about that. It'd be nice but I've noticed a certain thickness about male Boxers that, from experience, goes against logic & comfort. When he laid down in the wet band before he didn't seem the least bit uncomfortable yet the urine had spread all over his belly and down the inside of one leg.
But I'd definitely get a kidney profile done. He sounds like he's peeing way too much, unless he's one of those stress drinkers.

You'll see in another post where I addressed this but I don't find him to be an excesive drinker, not the kind normally classified as such and his frequent urinations seem to be smaller, habit-formed ones moreso than bladder-emptying ones.

Tara
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