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This dog certainly has a lot of bad habits!

Yes and no. Yes in the general sense and no in the age/breed sense. He's
2.5yo and for a male Boxer that's about the time their brains start tryingto mature.
Pulling on the lead,

I attribute this to the way he was raised until he was 1.5yo. He came from a family with lots of acreage in the boonies and the mentality there is that dogs aren't confined, shouldn't be confined, and will come home when they feel like it. He wasn't raised with walks or on-leash activity but with the total freedom to run & chase at will. I might just be trying to excuse the behavior but given that he's the first Boxer I've ever had who continued to pull like a freight train with a prong collar on I suspect its a little more than lack of manners.
counter surfing,

Ah but this is a Boxer trait. Fancy does it too. She's just not stupid enough to do it in front of us...usually. Most people who live with Boxers will tell you that hiding the trash and immediately putting away food is just a necessary way of life. I'm resigned to it but that doesn't mean I wouldn't love to break him of the habit. If it works then I'd turn to Fancy.
marking the other dog,

This is the problem. The others really don't rate much past a frown in the grand scheme of things.
scratching the doors,

I attribute this to the suspicion that he was made an outside dog in his last home (the adoptive home who had him for 11mo) and that when he came here and spent a few days inside he developed a fear of being left out again. His scratching & throwing himself at the door is clearly, to me at least, a panic-related behavior. Its like he suddenly realized he's out, I'm in, and "oh no! I'm stuck out here!!"
raiding the trash...

see counter surfing. I can handle certain things, am fully used to certain undesirable behaviors in this breed, there are only a few I can't or won't deal with though. Marking other dogs in the home, marking inside the home and aggression, either dog-dog or human.
tell me Tara, what is it about him that makes you WANT him?!

He's cute! Just ask shelly, she'll tell you. He's extremely responsive to me, obeys commands when they're given (as opposed to some female Boxer I could name), is totally affectionate, adoring of children, unobtrusive indoors and it doesn't hurt that he was returned after having been my foster. I feel a more particular responsibility towards my own fosters and when I knew he was coming back I couldn't not foster and then it made no sense to not give him a forever home. There are a few Boxers who you couldn't pay me to make my own but he's not one of them.
You and your family must have a hell of a lot more patience than I do. My rescue's weird fear-based ... on this list the only thing she does is pull on the lead, which is corrected by a Gentle Leader.

Patience and a huge sense of humor. I don't have that much patience in general and I find I'm 10x more accepting of Boxer behavior than I am of any other breed engaging in the same behavior. I generally raise my eyebrows at many of the things people here say their dogs do or the way people talk about rearranging their lives to accomodate their dogs' idiosyncracies.
Did you mention how old he is? Do you think he's likely to grow out of any of this?

Some will diminish with age but much is set in stone. He's 2.5 now. I think he'll be three in November but I can't remember for sure as I turned his AKC papers over to the AKC for cancellation when he was first given to me.
Male Boxers are pretty dumb, box of rocks and all that, but the tradeoff is that they are so much more accepting & willing than the females. The females are bitchy con-artists who are more independent, generally very stubborn, and always willing to take offense at the slightest sign of insult.
Joe Joe's food-thieving habits are considered a breed-wide trait. He does indulge with much more gusto than many though so this will either diminish with time or be cured with the help of proper & timely corrections.

The pulling will diminish with time and training. He's doing better now than he was just 4 weeks ago and I can easily get his attention, something Fancy refuses to give me when we're walking. I don't think the door-jumping/slamming/scratching is something that will go away without blatant correction, same with the Fancy-marking.
I'll work on getting some more pictures up on the website. For now you can see the ones I posted about 6 weeks ago. Tell me this dog isn't all kinds of cute!
http://tinyurl.com/brdnz

Tara
Yes and no. Yes in the general sense and no in the age/breed sense. He's 2.5yo and for a male Boxer that's about the time their brains start trying to mature.

if you're lucky. or, if you're unlucky. it kinda depends on your POV. i'll probably cry if harriet ever gets the rest of her brane.
Most people who live with Boxers will tell you that hiding the trash and immediately putting away food is just a necessary way of life.

yep.
His scratching & throwing himself at the door is clearly, to me at least, a panic-related behavior. Its like he suddenly realized he's out, I'm in, and "oh no! I'm stuck out here!!"

harriet likes to spend time on her own, sunning herself on the deck. when she's had enough, she will woo-woo at me through the storm door. if that doesn't get my attention, she body slams the door. it wouldn't occur to me to consider any of that a Big Deal.
He's cute! Just ask shelly, she'll tell you.

oh boy is he ever! he's a gorgeous dog.
Patience and a huge sense of humor. I don't have that much patience in general and I find I'm 10x more accepting of Boxer behavior than I am of any other breed engaging in the same behavior.

yep. if you don't have a sense of humor and patience, Boxers are not for you.
I generally raise my eyebrows at many of the things people here say their dogs do or the way people talk about rearranging their lives to accomodate their dogs' idiosyncracies.

yep. there's really no accounting for what does or doesn't test a person's tolerance. there's behavior i cannot* put up with in humans that i think is crazy cute when certain dogs do it. e.g. lip smacking. it drives me BFN, but when harriet does it, it is Teh Cute. or shrieking. i *cannot stand that, but my neighbors seem perfectly happy to put up with it when their dog does it.

crazy cute, i tell ya'!

shelly
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Tara,
One thing to be aware of with an e-collar:
The brand of collar a trainer loaned us to try and work on Macula's barking and jumping up failed because the remote was often too slow in transmitting the signal to correct. If the batteries were even a little bit low, or there was something/anything between the remote and the collar (even the arm of the person being jumped on) or if we were more than 3 or 4 feet away there could be as much as a 1.5 second delay between the button being pushed and the correction. This was lousy with the jumping in particular because often she was already back on the ground before the colloar did anything.

I can't remember the brand of collar we had but, if possible, test the model you're thinking of buying in the store, and ask questions about the limits of range, strength of signal, etc.
HTH
Marie
The risk is higher with an e-collar than with verbal or other corrections, because the correction is harder to connect to the source.

Yes, but it seems that the point has been reached where verbal corrections aren't working. Personally, I don't think that Tara should use an e-collar unless she works with someone with a great deal of experience.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
This dog certainly has a lot of bad habits! counter surfing,

Ah but this is a Boxer trait. Fancy does it too. She's just not stupid enough to do it in ... that doesn't mean I wouldn't love to break him of the habit. If it works then I'd turn to Fancy.

-P I remember a story from here a few years ago where a boxer owner described her creature's "slurp and run" attacks on cups of hot chacolate: dog would run past coffe table with mug of said liquid on it, and apparently without breaking stride would take a slurp and keep on going. :-P
:-P I remember a story from here a few years ago where a boxer owner described her creature's "slurp and ... mug of said liquid on it, and apparently without breaking stride would take a slurp and keep on going. :-P

that would be harriet. hot chocolate, coffee, tea, or any other beverage she can get her face into drive-by slurping is her specialty! well, one of 'em, anyway.

shelly
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This dog certainly has a lot of bad habits! Pulling on the lead, counter surfing, marking the other dog, scratching the doors, raiding the trash...

lots of dogs pull on lead and lots of owners are perfectly willing to put up with it.

Most people in this forum are too interested in training to put up with it.
marking is a pretty serious problem (especially when it's being done to another dog),

Now I disagree. Marking outdoors on things like trees, fire hydrants, fences, telephone poles is perfectly acceptable to me. "Marking" indoors I personally tend to regard as "not being housebroken." Marking another dog is completely unacceptable, of course, and I don't let my dog mark other people's bushes and plantings or anything else that could be harmed by it.
but my guess is that, like me, Tara doesn't see the other things on the above list as Big Deals. so what if he counter surfs and trash picks? BFD.

You think counter surfing and raiding the trash are acceptable behaviors? I'm surprised. I would think that for safety reasons alone you wouldn't accept them.
tell me Tara, what is it about him that makes you WANT him?!

i'm not Tara and wouldn't dream of trying to speak for her, but perhaps she likes him?

Uh, did you see the ?
My rescue's weird fear-based behaviors and lack of common sense drive me crazy sometimes,

what is it about her that makes you want to her? seriously. why on earth would you put up with that sort of thing?

Frankly, to do a good deed by giving a difficult placement a decent home. I'm hoping she'll grow on me. And hoping she'll gain some common sense and become less fearful.

Shelly, I wasn't criticizing Tara, for doG's sake. More congratulating her on her forbearance. Obviously I assume she likes him. Obviously I know that we all tolerate different things. Chill.
You think counter surfing and raiding the trash are acceptable behaviors? I'm surprised. I would think that for safety reasons alone you wouldn't accept them.

I didn't read her as saying that she'd accept them, but rather that they're not a big deal. I tend to break it down between problems that can be managed until they can be corrected (trash raiding), problems that can't be managed until they can be corrected (house training problems), and some stuff in between (pulling on the leash). Some people can't live with a dog that sheds like crazy. Some people can't live with weewee pads. I think the question under discussion is what's tolerable, not what's acceptable.
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You and your family must have a hell of a ... on the lead, which is corrected by a Gentle Leader.

Patience and a huge sense of humor. I don't have that much patience in general and I find I'm 10x ... people here say their dogs do or the way people talk about rearranging their lives to accomodate their dogs' idiosyncracies.

Isn't that the truth.
Did you mention how old he is? Do you think he's likely to grow out of any of this?

Some will diminish with age but much is set in stone. He's 2.5 now. I think he'll be three in ... can see the ones I posted about 6 weeks ago. Tell me this dog isn't all kinds of cute!

He's adorable! I particularly love the cheeks picture.
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