When I posted last week that all was going well here I wasn't aware, at the time, that all wasn't well. Not only has Joe Joe continued marking Fancy but its become a multiple times per day, almost every single day, event. I have to escort them outside each time & supervise, which is not something I'd envisioned having to do in a companion-dog household, and that still doesn't stop him from marking her. Today alone, in my presence & while on-lead, he peed on her 3x. We got home, I cleaned her up and within an hour he peed on her again.
He's urinating on her side, her back, her head, it doesn't matter where. He does it when she's squatting, when she's not, when no one is even near anything mark-worthy. Today he decided to mark through her twice I guess. Both times she was on the side closest to a bush. She'd make like she was going to sniff the greenery (and I'm not talking about making a huge deal or nose-diving for it) and he'd alert on that, hike his leg and just pee all over here. He wouldn't even try to get close enough to mark what was on the other side of her and she wasn't marking at all.
He marks her after she's been bathed as well. I can yell, stomp, yank on a leash (if he happens to be on a leash at the time) and all it does is temporarily interrupt him, it does not fix the problem. I don't see how you can fix such a problem without somehow also relaying the idea that urination, particularly outside since that's where it mostly happens, is bad.
Someone please give me a viable, proven, method to nip this in the bud & fast or I'm going to have to tell the rescue he needs placement. I don't want to because he's otherwise such a good fit but I will not bathe Fancy everyday, have her be subjected to constantly being urinated on, have a dog with dried pee all over her in the house & on the furniture and I'll not keep them separated. It would make no sense to not allow them outside together since that's where they're allowed to play as inside is a calm-only zone.

Tara
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When I posted last week that all was going well here I wasn't aware, at the time, that all wasn't ... sense to not allow them outside together since that's where they're allowed to play as inside is a calm-only zone.

Is Joe Joe neutered? Often dogs will "mark" a dog freshly bathed, especially if they are wearing scented conditioners or sprays. I think it turns them on.
For the moment, I'd put a belly band on him
When I posted last week that all was going well ... they're allowed to play as inside is a calm-only zone.

Is Joe Joe neutered? Often dogs will "mark" a dog freshly bathed, especially if they are wearing scented conditioners or sprays. I think it turns them on. For the moment, I'd put a belly band on him

He was neutered over a year ago, sometime between the age of 12-16 months. I could do the belly band thing but it'd have to stay on him 24/7 except when I take it off specifically for him to urinate. I have a really hard time believing that he wasn't doing this to the dog in his last home and only marked that dog's food bowl once. He is a prolific marker which is ok but having my other dog be his target isn't. Fancy has also been acting a bit withdrawn lately but I don't know if that's tied to this or not.

Tara
He was neutered over a year ago, sometime between the age of 12-16 months. I could do the belly band thing but it'd have to stay on him 24/7 except when I take it off specifically for him to urinate.

that's what i'd do, at least in the short term, until you can figure out a better plan. Fancy shouldn't have to put up with being marked. that's a pretty damned serious slap-down in dog terms.
I have a really hard time believing that he wasn't doing this to the dog in his last home and only marked that dog's food bowl once.

people lie. they can also be really unobservant.
He is a prolific marker which is ok but having my other dog be his target isn't. Fancy has also been acting a bit withdrawn lately but I don't know if that's tied to this or not.

i would suspect that it is. Boxers are sensitive and she's had quite a bit of upheaval in her life (losing Pebbles and getting Joe Joe). being peed on could well be depressing her.

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He was neutered over a year ago, sometime between the age of 12-16 months. I could do the belly band ... on him 24/7 except when I take it off specifically for him to urinate.This may be needed in the interim.

I find it hard to believe he didn't mark previously also. But He may be trying to establish dominance. I'd give him a real hard dose of NILIF and let him know YOU are the boss.
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have a really hard time believing that he wasn't doing this to the dog in his last home and only ... but having my other dog be his target isn't.I would start by giving him specific times and places to mark.

And NOT on Fancy!
Fancy has also been acting a bit withdrawn lately but I don't
that's what i'd do, at least in the short term, until you can figure out a better plan.

My only reservation about the belly band, assuming its the same as the "doggie wrap" shown on Petsmart's page (http://tinyurl.com/9orqm ), is the very distinct possibility that he will urinate through the thing. He doesn't seem to be particularly brilliant about this and as long as he thinks he can urinate he'll try to do so.
Fancy shouldn't have to put up with being marked. that's a pretty damned serious slap-down in dog terms.

Not only that but she's needing a bath every day. How many people do you know who would long tolerate bathing an unwilling 65lb dog everyday?
people lie. they can also be really unobservant.

I'm wondering about that. Part of me thinks there's no way in hell he just decided to unleash this horrible habit out of the blue & waited until he met my dog to do it. The other part of me thinks its possible and is giving the last family the benefit of doubt.
i would suspect that it is. Boxers are sensitive and she's had quite a bit of upheaval in her life (losing Pebbles and getting Joe Joe). being peed on could well be depressing her.

She's been hanging out, almost exclusively, in either her crate or under my desk. She's not been playing, loafing anywhere else, not been outside much (primarily because the humidity has been hellacious and I won't let the dogs out for more than potty breaks) and she's stopped seeking human attention. They did get into a real fight on Sunday. I don't know what it was about as I was in the backyard laying pavers where the dogs had dug under the gate when I heard it and Amie came flying out of the house. No blood but it was very loud, obviously not play, and lasted for about a minute.

Tara
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My only reservation about the belly band, assuming its the same as the "doggie wrap" shown on Petsmart's page ( ), ... to be particularly brilliant about this and as long as he thinks he can urinate he'll try to do so.

If they do, they find the sensation unpleasant, and the urinating should stop shortly. In any case, it should save bathing Fancy.
i would suspect that it is. Boxers are sensitive and ... Joe Joe). being peed on could well be depressing her.

Reka is now at the one year mark after losing Danny, and she's just now recovering her footing.
Went to Petsmart and bought 3 male diapers/bands. I bought three because I didn't want to mess with the sanitary pads and, quite frankly, the damn things aren't big/absorbant enough to help with fuill-out peeing. In under an hour he peed through two of them. I didn't even bother with the third. He had just urinated, what seemed a full bladder, about an hour before I put one on him. He peed through the thing, had it soaking wet, then laid down on the deck with it on, pushing against his belly Emotion: ick!. He just doesn't seem to care and I'm losing hope quickly Emotion: sad
I've met marking dogs, ones who just had to mark, but Joe Joe marks constantly, like its a way of life. Its as if he is never without a urine supply at the ready and there's no such thing as marking something too many times. Given that its outdoor urination behavior I'm petrified of doing anything remotely negative because I don't want him to form a bad association with peeing outside. That could undo his housetraining.

Tara
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Went to Petsmart and bought 3 male diapers/bands. I bought three because I didn't want to mess with the sanitary ... with it on, pushing against his belly Emotion: ick!. He just doesn't seem to care and I'm losing hope quickly Emotion: sad

I'd have him tested for kidney function
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