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Large Breed Dog List:

Boxer

IDTS! I have no idea where that list came from, but Boxers are *not *a large breed. Nor are Labs or several other of the breeds listed.

Shelly
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Thanks for the suggestions. We have been to obedience classes although we are currently "between sessions" right now. This dog is not a "fetcher" - kind of hard to believe with a lab.

It's also untrue, as you'll see for yourself one day, if you keep at it.
He loves to run and romp with his older sister, other dogs and obviously children but he just ho hums when you try to get him to fetch.

He's 5 months old; give him a break, eh?
Try playing fetch with his older sister, and force him to just watch.

Then let him give it a go, too.
Don't throw sticks. Throw dummies. Or a favorite toy, to get started.

You should throw things for him to retrieve inside your house, too. Like a rolled up sock, particularly down a hallway, if you have one.

He'll have greater tendency to bring it back that way.
His older sister, 15 months, loves to chase balls, sticks, anything you throw though she will not bring it back. She runs after the ball, snags it, turns and drops it and trots back for the next throw.

That's because you haven't taught her how to bring it back. (and even place it gently in your hand).
Try to find a nearby retriever club, and enroll yourself in a beginners class. They show you everything you need to know.

But even most obedience classes will eventually get around to that, too, so get yourself enrolled in some kind of class, eh?
Of course, the ball is 100 feet away.

In the interim, try my PING PONG game, as I described it in another post in this thread.
Good luck!

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"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
I guess I should have specified large branches* rather than *sticks. I'm talking like a three foot long section of branch. At their old house, there usually wasn't a ball available. So when I went outside to play with Cooper, I'd find a large branch to use to exercise him with. One of his habits was to grab a log off the wood-pile to prance around the yard with. My throwing arm definitely wasn't good enough for a log, so I'd find a nice, smooth tree branch with which to exercise him. Granted, not my toy of choice. But I did like to give him some attention when I was there, so we made do. I will keep your advice in mind though. I'm usually quite concious of dangers and try my best to avoid them.
back to me and flops down next to the last ... Although, by that time, my throwing arm is quite tired.

Get a friend and a couple of throwing dummies. Space yourselves about 100 feet apart, and then just PING PONG ... just to your side. It's a great workout for a RETRIEVER, and you don't have to do much of anything.

Thanks Jack, I will give that a try. I'm not getting any younger, and my throwing arm isn't what it used to be. Emotion: sad
td
Handsome Jack Morrison In typical "reality-based" fashion, John Edwards wants you to give **** SUV, but wants to keep his 30,000 sq. ft. home, multiple SUVs, ride in private jets, etc.

http://www.wlos.com/template/inews wire/wires.regional.nc/22b7034c-www.wlos.com.shtml
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u128/sapguy us/EdwardsHome.jpg "Reality-based" thinker claims that torturing and killing dogs is no worsethan eating at McDonald's!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/25/lawrence-odonnell-compares-killing-dogs-catc...
Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - October 22-26. Be there, or be square.

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This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushesglobal-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap onthe Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php Freakin' Democrats. "Reality-based" community clamors for housing bailout (at taxpayer'sexpense, of course).

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/24/the-democrat-clamor-for-a-housing-bailout /
The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =
That there is size variation does not mean that the breed isn't considered "medium-sized." And 70 lbs would indeed be within the realm of "medium."

Large Breed Dog List: Labrador Retriever http://www.animalhospitals-usa.com/dogs/large dogs.html

TD, size classifications are somewhat subjective.
Yes, they are classified on many lists as a large breed, but the breed standard specifies it thusly:
"The Labrador Retriever is a strongly built, medium-sized, short-coupled, dog possessing a sound, athletic, well-balanced conformation that enables it to function as a retrieving gun dog; the substance and soundness to hunt waterfowl or upland game for long hours under difficult conditions; the character and quality to win in the show ring; and the temperament to be a family companion."

And it's the technically correct classification.

Handsome Jack Morrison
In typical "reality-based" fashion, John Edwards wants you to give up your* SUV, but wants to keep *his 30,000 sq. ft. home, multiple SUVs, ride in private jets, etc. http://www.wlos.com/template/inews wire/wires.regional.nc/22b7034c-www.wlos.com.shtml http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u128/sapguy us/EdwardsHome.jpg

"Reality-based" thinker claims that torturing and killing dogs is no worse than eating at McDonald's! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/25/lawrence-odonnell-compares-killing-dogs-catc...

Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - October 22-26. Be there, or be square. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=782CE43A-F940-4F85-A13A-08CF7750A063

This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushes global-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php

Freakin' Democrats.
"Reality-based" community clamors for housing bailout (at taxpayer's expense, of course). http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/24/the-democrat-clamor-for-a-housing-bailout /

The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
IDTS! I have no idea where that list came from, but Boxers are *not *a large breed. Nor are Labs or several other of the breeds listed.

I've seen an average breed weight of 60lbs. used as the cut-off point in some lists. I think it's kind of like BMI, in that while there can be extremely dense/muscular people/dogs with high BMIs/on the large breed list, those metrics are kinda accurate in the average case. Exceptions are, well, exceptional.
Mind you, I don't have a lot of use for those lists in the first place. I'm not sure why you'd say "This is a large dog" rather than "This is a 60lb. dog."

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Actually, they love to play FETCH.

Think you could learn to use your freakin' editor?
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

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Just so you know, throwing sticks for dogs is very ... small school buses, and they usually go for the gusto).

I guess I should have specified large branches* rather than *sticks. I'm talking like a three foot long section of ... So when I went outside to play with Cooper, I'd find a large branch to use to exercise him with.

Nope, still too dangerous. Large branches break, and they can become splintered, etc.
One of his habits was to grab a log off the wood-pile to prance around the yard with.

Again, I just wouldn't let him do that.
Ask your vet how many sticks (and splinters) he's had to remove from the stomachs, tracheas, etc., of dogs (especially retrievers).
My throwing arm definitely wasn't good enough for a log, so I'd find a nice, smooth tree branch with which ... will keep your advice in mind though. I'm usually quite concious of dangers and try my best to avoid them.

It only takes one time for *** to happen, TD.
It's just not worth the risk.
Get a friend and a couple of throwing dummies. Space ... RETRIEVER, and you don't have to do much of anything.

Thanks Jack, I will give that a try. I'm not getting any younger, and my throwing arm isn't what it used to be. Emotion: sad

Mine either!

Handsome Jack Morrison
In typical "reality-based" fashion, John Edwards wants you to give up your* SUV, but wants to keep *his 30,000 sq. ft. home, multiple SUVs, ride in private jets, etc. http://www.wlos.com/template/inews wire/wires.regional.nc/22b7034c-www.wlos.com.shtml http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u128/sapguy us/EdwardsHome.jpg

"Reality-based" thinker claims that torturing and killing dogs is no worse than eating at McDonald's! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/25/lawrence-odonnell-compares-killing-dogs-catc...

Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - October 22-26. Be there, or be square. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=782CE43A-F940-4F85-A13A-08CF7750A063

This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushes global-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php

Freakin' Democrats.
"Reality-based" community clamors for housing bailout (at taxpayer's expense, of course). http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/24/the-democrat-clamor-for-a-housing-bailout /

The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
I've seen an average breed weight of 60lbs. used as the cut-off point in some lists.

Used for what? The medium/large cut-off? Obviously, that's subjective.
I think it's kind of like BMI, in that while there can be extremely dense/muscular people/dogs with high BMIs/on the large breed list, those metrics are kinda accurate in the average case. Exceptions are, well, exceptional.

For sure, and that sort of density disparity happens a lot in Boxers. Harriet is lean and kind of whispy. She has a runners' physique. Not really proper for a Boxer, which should be graceful but a bit denser than she is.
Mind you, I don't have a lot of use for those lists in the first place. I'm not sure why you'd say "This is a large dog" rather than "This is a 60lb. dog."

My issue is two-fold. First, size inflation. If it's good, then making it bigger will make it better. Ugh. This may be more prevalent in breeds like Boxers and Pit Bulls, where there is often a bad-*** component to owning one, but it happens in Labs, too. I have a coworker who brags about her 120lb black Lab. Apparently, his ginormous size is the most important thing about him, as far as she is concerned.
Second, the breed standard for some breeds, like Boxers and Labs, actually describes them as "medium-sized." Describing them as "large" tends, I think, to feed into issue number 1.

Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
Used for what? The medium/large cut-off? Obviously, that's subjective.

I meant, "large" and "medium" are subjective, and making the cut-off 60lbs is arbitrary. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
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