Hey All;
I know this is a loaded question that will probably give me numerous opinions, so I will try to be as specific as I can.

I would like to know when and how I should house break puppies. My two boys are almost 12 weeks. I have no intention of using a crate and as winter is upon us, I would be more comfortable teaching them to use newspaper in a specific spot or preferably a litter box with woodchips/newspaper.
John
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I would like to know when and how I should house break puppies. My two boys are almost 12 weeks. ... would be more comfortable teaching them to use newspaper in a specific spot or preferably a litter box with woodchips/newspaper.

By all means, John, use the newspaper/woodchips then. You seem to have your mind made up anyway.
Then, in the Spring, you can come back here again and ask for help in getting him to go outdoors instead of on the paper. Emotion: smile

See ya' in April, John!

Handsome Jack Morrison
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My two boys are almost 12 weeks. I have no intention of using a crate and as winter is upon us, I would be more comfortable teaching them to use newspaper in a specific spot or preferably a litter box with woodchips/newspaper.

Not a good idea. While you're trying to teach them that they're not supposed to go inside, giving them an option to go inside can confuse the issue.

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Hey All; I know this is a loaded question that will probably give me numerous opinions, so I will try ... would be more comfortable teaching them to use newspaper in a specific spot or preferably a litter box with woodchips/newspaper.

Dogs are creatures of habit. If you teach them to eliminate on paper or a litter box (I call them both paper training), you'll have a horrible time ever teaching them to eliminate outside (I call that housetraining). Not impossible, just difficult as in really hard. The principle of both paper training and house training is the same. You put the pups on a schedule and take them to the appropriate spot when you know they're about to go anyway. Then you praise like crazy when they get it right. You clean up promptly and dispassionately when they get it wrong. You don't have to use a crate if you don't want to. Crates make it easier when you can't watch your pups every second, but many a dog has been successfully housetrained without a crate.
I'd like to urge you to consider house training rather than paper training no matter what the weather. In addition to its being easier in the long run in terms of cleaning, walking dogs is fun. Playing with dogs outside is fun. Sure it can be a bother putting on the galoshes when the weather is nasty and you don't feel like it, but in the long run, one of the great joys of having dogs is the romps outside. Don't deprive either yourself or your dogs of that.
Lia
I have no intention of using a crate and as winter is upon us, I would be more comfortable teaching them to use newspaper in a specific spot or preferably a litter box with woodchips/newspaper.

Why is winter stopping you from taking them outside?

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
I have no intention of using a crate and as ... a specific spot or preferably a litter box with woodchips/newspaper.

Why is winter stopping you from taking them outside?[/nq]They are papillons, so they are small to start off with. We have sliding glass doors leading off our bedroom to the backyard. This is where I let Hollywood, the mom, out. The puppies seem very interested in where she is going and either stare out the window at her and/or paw at the window. So a few times I have carried them out when I let their mother out and they just shake. Not sure if they are scaird or cold. I read somewhere that even adult Paps pads are too small to handle the cold ground.

The cold can dry up their pads, cause them to crack and is very painful for the dog. I figured for a puppy Pap it would be worse. Although it is only negative single digits right now, our winters can see -30 to -40 temperatures. So I figured for this season to train them to go indoors in a designated are and then next year, when they are bigger, outside, even if it is twice the work. What do you think?
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I figured for a puppy Pap it would be worse. Although it is only negative single digits right now, our ... and then next year, when they are bigger, outside, even if it is twice the work. What do you think?

Your winters sound like the ones here. I don't have Paps, but I know people who do, as well as people with Italian Greyhounds and other breeds which don't do well in cold weather. In my experience, if you had a sheltered spot in your yard where you could carry your dogs, they'd be fine.
Papillons are very smart dogs - use this time while it's not overly cold outside to train them to pee and poo on command, that way they (and you) won't have to stay outside very long.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
They are papillons, so they are small to start off with. We have sliding glass doors leading off our bedroom ... them to crack and is very painful for the dog. I figured for a puppy Pap it would be worse.

Hey John. Just my opinion. When you take the pups outside, play with them. My dog Moogli (Shih-tzu/Min Schnauzer blend) doesn't like the cold a whole lot, however, he loves to play in the snow. He runs, snowplows, spins and looks at me with a muzzle full of snow.
As to their pads, this is the best time to start taking them out. Their pads will develop a thickness to be able to handle the cold. You may never be able to spend an hour or two in a stretch outside with them, but 20-30 minutes should be no problem. What you really have to be careful of is the salt that they spread out on the snow and ice. That is something which is pretty painful for them. That and slush. The slush that they walk through will sap the heat from the body way faster than any amount of snow will do.

Marcel and Moogli
I figured for a puppy Pap it would be worse. ... if it is twice the work. What do you think?

Your winters sound like the ones here. I don't have Paps, but I know people who do, as well as ... train them to pee and poo on command, that way they (and you) won't have to stay outside very long.

There are a lot of toy breeder owners that train their toy breeds to use litter boxes. Just an option
I have heard if very doable for toy breeds.
Also John mentioned their pads of their feet. I know mushers use this stuff for the pads of their dogs
feet. But I don't have the link handy.
Gwen
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