Hi everyone,
A month or two ago, I wrote about my dog Rocky and his problems getting housetrained. He has since gotten worse much worse. My husband and I are out of ideas. He is almost seven months and he is a bichon/cavalier. We have tried crate training him but now he soils his crate. (and no we don't keep him in there for a unreasonably lenght of time). I thought that was like an instinct for dogs, not to go in their crate. Now I don't know what to do. Any suggestions would be VERY appreciated.
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A month or two ago, I wrote about my dog Rocky and his problems getting housetrained. He has since gotten ... dogs, not to go in their crate. Now I don't know what to do. Any suggestions would be VERY appreciated.

How big is his crate? He should only have enough space to stand up and turn around, and of course, sleep comfortably. You can get dividers to make the space smaller. ( See my pup's crate setup here: http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/Hendrix/photo #
5084927415189009922 ) Or, if need be, get a smaller crate.

Whether or not crate size is the issue, training him to stop soiling in his crate might be challenging, and I'll leave that advice to those here who are far more knowlegeable on the subject. Try not to despair, and please don't give up. You'll get through this.

Lynne
Now I don't know what to do. Any suggestions would be VERY appreciated.

I recall your previous post. I have some experience in housetraining puppies and can commiserate as well as offer advice.
So far, what has been your method? Feel free to write an essay. Do you and your husband use the same methods and have similar patience?

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Ok, my husband and I have pretty much tried everything and here is our latest method:
I get up around 8:00 or so, let him out and feed him (I am on summer holidays due to working for school board so I am getting up a couple of hours later, but that should not be a problem as I do get him every time I hear him whine) he gets put out and then fed after he goes.

9:00 out again. If he goes he is praised and given free rein of house. If not he is crated, and put out every hour until he goes. When he relieves himself outside he is given free rein for two hours and then put back in his crate for an hour and then let outside. If he goes he is praised given free rein/if not he is crated.
6:00 Dinner
7:00 Outside
11:00 Final Outing for the night
He doesn't have a scheduled break through the night but I do get up when he whines and tell me he wants to go. Some nights I have gotten up 3 times a night to let him do his business.
His crate is the size recommended for his breed. He is just enough room to stand up and turn around.
Kelly
Ok, my husband and I have pretty much tried everything and here is our latest method:

Your latest method sounds generally good. How long have you been doing this? I've snipped your timetable, but have questions as to the blank spot between "9:00 out again" and "6:00 Dinner."
What is he doing during this time?
He doesn't have a scheduled break through the night but I do get up when he whines and tell me he wants to go. Some nights I have gotten up 3 times a night to let him do his business.

Does he actually go all three times he's out? If so, you may be looking at a medical issue. In your previous thread, was it suggested that you get him checked for a urinary tract infection?

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Ok, my husband and I have pretty much tried everything and here is our latest method:

Assuming he's been checked by a vet, and that any medical problems, like a UTI, have been ruled out...
Since he's going in his crate, I'd stop using it as a housebreaking tool. Instead, I'd tether Rocky to me and generally supervise him like a hawk. The first step in housebreaking is to make sure the dog is not allowed to make any mistakes.
Taking him out regularly, which you're already doing, is also important. Praise him like crazy when he goes outside, using whatever he finds most rewarding: extra tasty treats, happy-clappy dance, ear rubs, etc. You want him to absolutely understand that pottying outside, in front of you, makes you wildly happy.

Don't correct him for messes indoors. They're your fault, not his. Just quietly clean them up with an enzymatic cleaner. It may seem counter-intuitive not to correct mistakes, but doing so can result in the dog being afraid to relieve himself in front of you. The one exception is if you catch him in the act. Then it's okay to interrupt him, take him outside, and praise him for finishing outdoors.

If he were my dog, he would not get free rein of the house until he was reliably holding it until I let him out, or until he asks out. And that's a whole 'nother topic of discussion, one which I'm not convinced there is a "right" answer for. I've had dogs who never learned to ask out, and others that did. All were absolutely reliably house trained.

Shelly
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Ante Up, kelly,
Hi everyone, A month or two ago, I wrote about my dog Rocky and his problems getting housetrained.

Dogs don't have problems getting house trained.
Puppys housebreak themselves instinctively starting at four weeks of age.
He has since gotten worse much worse.

You got a lotta good advice when you posted last time.
My husband and I are out of ideas.

So, you've come back for more good ideas?
He is almost seven months and he is a bichon/cavalier. We have tried crate training him but now he soils his crate. (and no we don't keep him in there for a unreasonably lenght of time).

Your dog is having panic attacks from
being locked in a box.
I thought that was like an instinct for dogs, not to go in their crate.

No. Housebreaking is INSTINCTIVE for dogs living
in a house. Dogs PANIC when locked in a box with no food water or toilet area and crap and *** themselves as an uncontrolable visceral response.
Now I don't know what to do.

Perhaps you should write an essay?
Any suggestions would be VERY appreciated.

Or perhaps you should read an essay?
Try this, you might just get LUCKY:
http://relinkz.com/Lucky777
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Between 9:00 and 6:00 his schedules varies depending on him. At 9:00 he is let out to go, if he goes he is praised and given free rein of the house for two hours and then one hour in his crate. Assuming he went every time I took him out his schedule would look like this
9:00-potty break-praise free rein
11:00 crate
12:00-potty break, praise free rein
2:00 crate
3:00 potty break, praise free rein
6:00 dinner
If he didn't go during one of his outings he would be put back in his crate and let out on the hour every hour until he went.
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