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Mary, Your uneducated presumption about me couldn't be more far from thetruth. I don't have declawed cats.

My mistake. I thought you had declawed cats. As for the rest, well ... my comments stand.
(snipped post, most of which is irrelevant anyway)

You missed two very important points; I suppose in all the time you spent trawling deja looking for dirt on me you must have forgotten to address. When you get time, I would appreciate clarification.

1) You forgot to explain how the hell being "taxable" and 04 "assessment" hasto do with whether or not the shelter has to follow city ordinance/fire code and keep cats caged, as you claim. Come on. Explain this one, brain child. What the hell does tax (or tax-exempt) status have to do with whether or not the shelter must obey a city ordinance? Here's your post, when Mary said her shelter isn't required to cage animals:
"Not yet... but if you are a taxable shelter, pet store, or otherwise, you may be subject to assessment in 04. If you are someone who is fostering cats out of your home, and it's your main residence, or breeding cats, then this doesn't apply to you."
2. Agreance isn't a word. Neither is agreeance. Your "big" words don't frightenme. They amuse me. You try so hard.
Sherry
When the ordinance becomes set in Florida you are going to be the first old red head I email it to.

Great! I'll look forward to it. However, again, this old redhead isn't interested in the wording of the ordinance. I'm interested in how the State of Florida determines who must comply with fire code ordinances via tax assessment status, as per your reply to Mary.
Sherry
Give me some time to dig up the regulation. However, it is a Florida State wide law that all animals which are unattended have to be caged.

I'm in Wisconsin.
The exclusion is pets which fall into being property of an individual, or individuals, such as dogs and cats. There are other exclusions, but the ordinance is directed towards pet stores, and shelters.

This was passed because of an accident at Pets Mart store a while back. Allegedly, a mother and her young ... I get backinto town and I have the time, I will try to find you the ordinance, out of Tallahassee.

The only people who currently (and in the future will) have access to shelter animals are staff and trained volunteers. Children under 16 must be attended by an adult at all times when an animal is present... children under 16 aren't even allowed to carry the animals from cage to counselling room (we're switching over to carrier transportation sooner or later). The worst we've had happen is a couple of kids following some young volunteers through a staff only door into the cat-cage area, and they were ushered right back out again.
Karen, Do you honestly believe that every single cat that is declawed startspeeing inappropriately, or develops some kind of illness that requires more than $100 worth of medical treatment?[/nq]I can think of a number of cats at our shelter that were front declawed, given up for inappropriate elimination, and ended up euthanized for it (the booking showed the owner made sincere attempts to solve the problem yet it continued, or the cat continued with the problem in foster care or was adopted out and returned for it). I can only think of ONE cat that was surrended for litterbox problems, was front declawed, and ended up having crystals in her urine.

I can think of several more who are front declawed and given up for litterbox problems and are still in-shelter (Oscar, the sweetest, fattest orange tabby... and my four-month foster Lucy, who actually got a home and so far has had no recurrences). It IS getting to the point that I'm VERY tempted to start a log of litterbox issue animals that are front declawed, take them to the executive director, and see about creating a policy of non-adoption of fully clawed cats to people who intend to declaw.

Currently, we just won't adopt a fully clawed cat to someone who wants to four-paw declaw.
This may sound rude, or uninformed, or whatever other adjectives you'd like to add, Iso, but since you're a doctor... Imagine, if you can, parents bringing in their children to have their fingers amputated at the first knuckle, "because she put a run in my stocking when she grabbed at my leg for attention," or "he was playing on the floors we just had refinished and now they're all scratched!" Ridiculous, yes? As childish and stupid as someone giving up their cat because she redecorated and the cat no longer matches the furniture... but our shelter has seen that excuse, and I would bet that other shelters have, as well.
It's rash to think that if one can afford to have the declawing procedure completed on a cat, that one can't affordto purchase $100.00 worth of medical treatment for the cat.

My sister is a vet assistant. People have called to schedule declawings, and they REFUSE to spay or neuter. For those people, it's completely a matter of convenience and has nothing to do with the animal's health or well-being.

I certainly don't mean to jump on the Iso-bashing bandwagon that seems to have sprung up here, but I don't know what experience you have with animals, or in a shelter environment, which is generally where most of us have developed this fanatical anti-declawing stance.
Sherry You are right; i'm not a medical student. I am a first year doctor. As far as being too ... of Florida. No, it's not set in stone yet, but it will be possibly by the end of the year.[/nq]You know, I noticed something really screwy about your posts long ago. A post that sounded eerily like a website I'd just read regarding social structure of the cat, actually. A quick google check confirmed that you'd simply plagiarized a website article, "The History of the Cat" and passed it off as your own post. Out of curiosity, every time you posted a seemingly authoritative post on health or behavioral issues, it was obvious that all you do is google a topic, and plagiarize websites, twisting the words just enough to try to pass it off as your own work or opinion.

(That's not only scummy, but illegal too, BTW). Megan was right about you. You don't know squat about cats, but dispense advice anyway. It's all in the archives, and below are just three examples out of many, many more.

Subject: Re: Whats wrong with my kitty?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Date: 2003-10-20 14:31:18 PST
John,Situated on either side of the anus are two anal glands. These glandsmanufacture a foul smelling material that is normally expressed when yourcat has a bowel movement. These glands can become painfully blocked andinfected. Impacted glands do not affect the overall health of the pet. (snipped)
PLAGIARIZED FROM
http://petplace.netscape.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=3591

Subject: Re: Blood in stool
Newsgroups: alt.pets.cats
Date: 2003-10-21 16:56:03 PST
Bright red blood in small quantities, sometimes mixed with mucous, is afairly common finding in cats and sometimes we can't find a cause despitepretty thorough work-ups. However, there are some things to consider aboutthis, especially in your case.Griseofulvin can cause diarrhea and it can cause liver problems. Since theliver is responsible for making the blood clotting components there is achance that the problem does relate to the griseofulvin. (snipped)
PLAGIARIZED FROM
http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cbloodystools.html

Subject: Re: Dr. Jekyll cat is Mr. Hyde at the vet Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Date: 2003-10-22 21:52:14 PST
If you are inquiring why your cat acts differently, it's because of thescents that are emitted by all the animals that are there, and have beenthere. Different animals have emitted all kinds of pheromones, urine, ***.one of the most imperative ways in which a cat receives feedback about hisenvironment is smell. Sense of smell helps the cat communicate with othersof his own kind and assess the potential risks and pleasures associated withevery waking moment. PLAGIARIZED FROM
http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=2038
Karen, Do you honestly believe that every single cat that is declawed startspeeing inappropriately, or develops some kind of illness that requires more than $100 worth of medical treatment?[/nq]I can think of a number of cats at our shelter that were front declawed, given up for inappropriate elimination, and ended up euthanized for it (the booking showed the owner made sincere attempts to solve the problem yet it continued, or the cat continued with the problem in foster care or was adopted out and returned for it). I can only think of ONE cat that was surrended for litterbox problems, was front declawed, and ended up having crystals in her urine.

I can think of several more who are front declawed and given up for litterbox problems and are still in-shelter (Oscar, the sweetest, fattest orange tabby... and my four-month foster Lucy, who actually got a home and so far has had no recurrences). It IS getting to the point that I'm VERY tempted to start a log of litterbox issue animals that are front declawed, take them to the executive director, and see about creating a policy of non-adoption of fully clawed cats to people who intend to declaw.

Currently, we just won't adopt a fully clawed cat to someone who wants to four-paw declaw.
This may sound rude, or uninformed, or whatever other adjectives you'd like to add, Iso, but since you're a doctor... Imagine, if you can, parents bringing in their children to have their fingers amputated at the first knuckle, "because she put a run in my stocking when she grabbed at my leg for attention," or "he was playing on the floors we just had refinished and now they're all scratched!" Ridiculous, yes? As childish and stupid as someone giving up their cat because she redecorated and the cat no longer matches the furniture... but our shelter has seen that excuse, and I would bet that other shelters have, as well.
It's rash to think that if one can afford to have the declawing procedure completed on a cat, that one can't affordto purchase $100.00 worth of medical treatment for the cat.

My sister is a vet assistant. People have called to schedule declawings, and they REFUSE to spay or neuter. For those people, it's completely a matter of convenience and has nothing to do with the animal's health or well-being.

I certainly don't mean to jump on the Iso-bashing bandwagon that seems to have sprung up here, but I don't know what experience you have with animals, or in a shelter environment, which is generally where most of us have developed this fanatical anti-declawing stance.
Do you encounter many people who come to adopt a cat and have already made up their mind to declaw before adopting?
Does the shelter give them information on the methods to "train" the cat to use acceptable locations to scratch?
I think the shelters could stop some of the declawing going on if they would give their adoptive "parents" some good information. Something on paper they could take home and read over if they encounter problems. We were at PetSmart the other night and met a family who had just adopted a large male cat. They were shopping for some rinky dink scratching post. I probably embarassed the heck out of the dh but I stopped and told them that the post probably wouldn't work as the cat was larger than the post and proceeded to tell them about the stuff available to discourage scratching and pointed them over to the posts that might actually work for this animal. The shelter people apparently hadn't discussed this with them.

W
You know, I noticed something really screwy about your posts long ago. Apost that sounded eerily like a website I'd ... about cats, butdispense advice anyway. It's all in the archives, and below are just threeexamples out of many, many more.

About the plagiarism issue (I'm not getting involved in the other stuff -)):
You might want to report the plagiarized posts to the websites. Most websites have notices that indicate their content is protected by copyright laws. Petplace is no exception
http://petplace.netscape.com/Corporate/corpSiteTextHandler.asp?code=Legal+Disclaimer

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Sherry You are right; i'm not a medical student. I ... but it will bepossibly by the end of the year.

Now this is nice work.
What a scumbag.
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