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Never. It is attitudes like yours that will make it harder tohave the mutilating procedure banned. Read some of the archives. Diversion and training work.

In the meantime, if you don't have any patience to train the cat, go ahead and let it die on the streets and in a shelter. That's way better than mutilating the cat.

Oh, please. You must really think a lot of yourself if you think your particular decision not to adopt a cat means the cat is going to "die on the streets." There are far kinder people than you everywhere.
Kalyahna, You may be the exception. I know that for many shelters it is a firecode violation and a health ... in the state I live the shelters,"no-kill" or otherwise have to put all the animals in cages when they areunattended.

Ours don't.
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The specific situation of this thread is that an individual took in
a cat and had that cat declawed. Not everybody is on the bandwagon that you're on despite your desperate and repeat attempt to try to dictate your views to anyone who would listen.

Actually, I would guess the vast majority of this group shares the same views I do re: declaw, save a couple of people, including you.

Again..I'm not advocating declawing, but - from
work/personal experience - I do not believe that the cat is ruined forever and can't live a perfectly happy life.

You are advocating declaw.

Sounds a bit like desperation flaming borne of a losing argument, NY Writer. Thanks for playing, but if lies and personal attacks are your best debate, maybe it's time to throw in the towel.
Sherry
Karen, Do you honestly believe that every single cat that is declawedstarts peeing inappropriately, or develops some kind of illness that requires morethan $100 worth of medical treatment?

Iso, it doesn't matter. Cats should not be mutilated for our convenience. They CAN be trained. Anyone without the patience to go so needs to get some stuffed animals and leave the live ones to others who are more compassionate and SANE. Incidentally, there are some things worse than death. I think I'd rather die than live without, say, my thumbs. Or my eyes.
PawsForThought, I quote you, "Really? Perhaps you should have the ends of yourfingers cut off. Then possibly, you might be ... badas you make it out to be. Declawing is rather tame to what I am exposed toon a regular basis.

It doesn't matter. Apples and oranges. Declawing a healthy cat is mutilation, plain and simple. If you cannot take your job, for god's sake get another one your thinking is seriously muddled. It cannot be good for anyone you may treat.
Mary,
I quote you "Iso, it doesn't matter. Cats should not be mutilated for our convenience. They CAN be trained. Anyone without the patience to go so needs to get some stuffed animals and leave the live ones to others who are more compassionate and SANE. Incidentally, there are some things worse than death. I think I'd rather die than live without, say, my thumbs. Or my eyes."If you had read the original thread, and how this particular post got to where it is, then you would see how late in the discussion you are. I NEVER ADVOCATED THE MUTILATING/DECLAWING of a cat. I NEVER INDICATED A CAT COULDN' T BE TRAINED. Moreover, I am in COMPLETE AGREANCE with you regarding people without patience. If you had read any of the previous posts, you would see that nearly everyone believes that the vast majority of cats that become declawed ALWAYS end up in a shelter because of medical or behavioral problems.

True or false, that remains to be seen. My point is that for as many declaw procedures that apparently happen, there seem to be a profusion of cats that adapt as best they can and go on to live the remainder of their lives. THAT'S IT! YES, CATS THAT ARE DECLAWED EXIBIT MEDICAL AND BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS, but not all cats that are dumped, surrendered or otherwise to a shelter or humane society are declawed. I DISAGREE WITH DECLAWING! Nonetheless, it's foolish to think that all cats, which are declawed, aren't taken care for later in life and always exhibit the same behavioral and medical problems.

That was my only point.
Mary,
I quote you, "It doesn't matter. Apples and oranges. Declawing a healthy cat is mutilation, plain and simple. If you cannot take your job, for god's sake get another one your thinking is seriously muddled. It cannot be good for anyone you may treat.
You are the one who seems to have mixed-up judgment. Once again, I have to say loudly for Mary, I DO NOT ADVOCATE DECLAWING AND OR THE PROCEDURE OF DECLAWING. IT IS CRUEL AND THERE IS NOTHING HUMANE REGARDING THE PROCEDURE.. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW MARY?
Please indicate to me where at any point, I specifically point out that I can't handle my job. The view that I am trying to express to you, is that it is APPLES AND ORANGES. I have a tough time associating mutilation (even though it may very well be) to what I see on a daily basis. From child abuse cases, accidents, gun shots, lacerations and amputations. I have become numb with this matter. You have no motivation to make this a personal matter between you and I. How I treat my patients at work isn't predicated on the declawing procedure or whether or not its mutilation. IT IS APPLES AND ORANGES!
Mary,
I quote, "ours don't"
Not yet... but if you are a taxable shelter, pet store, or otherwise, you may be subject to assessment in 04. If you are someone who is fostering cats out of your home, and it's your main residence, or breeding cats, then this doesn't apply to you.
Mary, I quote, "ours don't" Not yet... but if you are a taxable shelter, pet store, or otherwise, you may ... fostering cats out of your home, and it's your main residence, or breeding cats, then this doesn't apply to you.[/nq]OK, I've listened to this *** long enough. You're no med student, I doubt you're even a college student. Frankly, you're too dense. Since you can't figure out how to attribute, I had to go back and find Mary's post. The topic is the alleged "ordinance" that you claim requires shelters to keep cats caged. "Assessment" or taxes, doesn't have jack-*** to do with compliance with city ordinances or fire codes. You first lost credibility when you tried so hard to tell everybody you were a med student that you completely failed to make the point of most posts.

Then you lost more credibility when you tried so hard to "use big words" that you used them totally out of context, and made a couple up to boot. (see: about any of your posts, most recently the phrase "in agreance". Plus, you seem to have an awful lot of time to argue arbitrary points on usenet.
But, it's okay, honey. You can be anything you want to be on usenet.

Sherry
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