Well we took him to the pet store and fitted him with a prong collar. The improvement was HUGE and instant. And he actually pays attention to us now so hopefully we can work on some commands. I really must say that I'm very impressed with this collar. He's like a new dog and he's not going all bug-eyed and coughing anymore. There was another dog in there as we were putting it on him and he was pulling and choking trying to get at that dog and after switching the leash to the prong collar he pulled once and then stopped altogether.

We walked him around the store a bit and he was very well behaved by comparison. He needs work with going off whereever he wants, but I think we can work on that now that we have his attention Emotion: wink. This is a million times better. Thanks everyone for all your help.
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Well we took him to the pet store and fitted him with a prong collar.The improvement was HUGE and instant.()

That's great news.
But just to make sure that you've fitted it correctly, which is of paramount importance:
http://www.leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm
And hopefully you won't come to rely on it for CONTROL, but will TRAIN your dog to walk at your side on a loose leash, or with no leash at all.
Good luck!

Handsome Jack Morrison
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"What is wrong with these people"?
http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/05 02 13 corner-archive.asp#056539
http://www.leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm

Yep that's exactly how it's fitted! Emotion: smile
And hopefully you won't come to rely on it for CONTROL, but will TRAIN your dog to walk at your side on a loose leash, or with no leash at all.

Of course. But the thing was I couldn't even begin to train him without having some control. He wouldn't even pay attention to me, now he does.
I'm sure that you're not one of them, but many other dog owners have also said "Of course," and then when you check up on them, say, 2 years down the road, the prong collar is still on the dog.

Again, good luck with your TRAINING!

Handsome Jack Morrison
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"What is wrong with these people"?
http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/05 02 13 corner-archive.asp#056539
Well we took him to the pet store and fitted him with a prong collar. The improvement was HUGE and ... that now that we have his attention Emotion: wink. This is a million times better. Thanks everyone for all your help.

You're most welcome. I think the two of you will be much more successful communicating now that the lunging is out of the way.
Kate
and Storm the FCR
I'm sure that you're not one of them, but many other dog owners have also said "Of course," and then when you check up on them, say, 2 years down the road, the prong collar is still on the dog.
My American Pit Bull Terrier wore a slip choke chain her entire life. I tried to switch to a flat collar for a short time long after she was responding to "heel", but she went right back to pulling and not listening and even started trying to back out of the collar. I'm fairly certain the dog I have now has some bull breed mixed in. I don't know what your experience is with bull breeds, but I can tell you from owning one for 10 years and living with one previous to owning one that they are independent to the point of stubborness.

They can certainly be trained but they aren't border collies. You've already given me the advice to train this dog to walk offleash. I really must say that advice like that is very bad to give to anyone with a bull breed or bull breed mix. These dogs were made for fighting other dogs. Even if they seem nice to other animals you never know when they might decide to fight and they will* win. In fact, I'd say it's bad advice to give *anyone to walk their dog offleash since the dog might run up to a leashed dog that will rip it to shreds.

It's a huge pet peeve with me when people walk their dogs offleash no matter how well trained they are because there's always that one time it might get too excited and run into traffic or jump on someone or otherwise get hurt or hurt someone or something. Anyway, bull type dogs also love to pull and they're strong. They are often used in weight pulling competitions. It's my opinion (and that of one dog trainer I know and one whose words I read) that putting a harness or a flat collar on a bull breed just encourages them to pull.

With my old dog it just set her up to fail by putting a flat buckle collar on her. She was trained to heel on a slack leash, which she did, but she needed the reminder of the choke or the rattle of the chain to back it up every now and then - and I'm pretty dang sure that's a breed issue not a training issue. I had another dog years ago, a spitz and shepherd mix, that was simple to train and would heel offleash on command. But he was eager to please and not so independent/stubborn as every single individual bull breed dog I've ever met.

If you've worked with bull breeds at all you know they frequently have a problem with listening - to the point you might even think the dog deaf - and need physical force of some sort to back up commands. If you or anyone knows some secret for training a bull breed dog to be as obedient as the spitz I'd love to hear about it.
She was trained to heel on a slack leash, which she did, but she needed the reminder of the choke ... it up every now and then - and I'm pretty dang sure that's a breed issue not a training issue.

No, it's a training issue. I've seen plenty of pit bulls and other bully breeds learn to walk nicely on leash with a buckle collar, using no corrections.

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listening and even started trying to back out of the collar. I'm fairly certain the dog I have now has ... one that they are independent to the point of stubborness. They can certainly be trained but they aren't border collies.

and no 2 border collies are the same but the basic principals of dog training are - you get back what you put in.
HJM has earnt more than a few 'good smack in the gob' points from me, but this is basic ground roots advice and if you want a safe dog in your community, you'd best be looking for those same objectives... cos crazed pitbull on the block stories are, imo, only the result of people not considering the bare bones of their pet welfare responsibilities.

Diana & Cindy

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http://cindy-incidentally.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk
cos crazed pitbull on the block stories are, imo, only the result of people not considering the bare bones of their pet welfare responsibilities.

Which is why I never walk my dog offleash and don't think other people should either.
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