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== What happened to the brown dog's head; is it under the door?

yes, we have the bottom few inches of our doors cut off and Cali fits under them. In the picture, its just her head but she could get her whole body in there.
We know how to treat our poodle. Send them out here where the girls always leave a spoonful in the bottom of the bowl for their dogs.

Maui and Cali know "grandpa has ice cream". When they hear that, then run to find my dad. He always leaves some in the bowl for them, as does my mom.
Even my dad is trained. Have you ever seen an almost 80 year old man sneaking huge chunks of his ... knows my rule is no feeding dogs begging at the table, but he also knows that I can't ground him.

my dad is the same way, I tell him not to feed the dogs from the table but he is so "clumsy" that food just keeps "accidently" falling to the floor.

What happened to the brown dog's head; is it under the door?


yes, we have the bottom few inches of our doors cut off and Cali fitsunder them. In the picture, its just her head but she could get her whole bodyin there.

What would be funny is to be on the other side and take a pic of the head coming under the door.
I believe things would be easier for you if you did. Certainly makes regular feedings easier so housebreaking goes better.

This is my thinking. Not having a schedule makes everything very difficult. They are eating very well, so I'm not ... he's so busy anyway, what difference could it possibly make? I don't think he's fed the puppies solid food yet.[/nq]If you feed them more solid food, they will nurse less and she will produce less. So to try to get around DH but still help yourself and Neo, you could just feed them solid food on a schedule anyway. Have DH take Neo for a walk when it has been awhile since they ate so they will have some room. Since she won't be there to sneak in and start nursing, you can set up and feed at your leisure. When she comes back, they won't have much room left. Even if she comes back while they are still eating, as long as she is not there when they decide they must eat, it should help to move the weaning process along without having to starve her and without her being uncomfortably full because she is still eating well.

When she's uncomfortably full, the puppies will still be able to top off enough to nurse until she is no longer uncomfortable, but not enough to empty her out. Her body will take note and start producing less. Does that make sense and sound like something that might work as a compromise?

Paula
If you feed them more solid food, they will nurse less and she will produce less. So to try to ... take note and start producing less. Does that make sense and sound like something that might work as a compromise?

I think that's a wonderful plan, Paula. Much kinder to Neo and the pups, too.

Lynne
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If you feed them more solid food, they will nurse ... and sound like something that might work as a compromise?

I think that's a wonderful plan, Paula. Much kinder to Neo and the pups, too.

I have to admit that I never liked the feeling of being too full when I was nursing, but I don't like the feeling of being hungry either, so that was good motivation to come up with alternatives! Emotion: smile One mom to another, Neo, I've got your back!
Paula
Does that make sense and sound like something that might work as a compromise?

It does make sense and that's what I've been doing. Feeding those puppies solid food before they see mom. They eat a lot of food but when they see mom, they act like little sharks! While they will eventually stop eating the solid food, and while they may not actually nurse for too long, they still chew on her! She does not want to spend time with them, but she will still feed them and clean them.

I'm also probably unnecessarily concerned about Neo's health. Everything has gone well so far - I'd like to keep it that way.

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It does make sense and that's what I've been doing. Feeding those puppies solid food before they see mom. They ... probably unnecessarily concerned about Neo's health. Everything has gone well so far - I'd like to keep it that way.

It sounds to me like you are doing everything right for Neo and for the puppies. The weaning process started as soon as they started taking food from sources other than mom. Sudden and complete weaning is really uncomfortable. Not only that, it can sometimes lead to mastitis, so a gradual weaning is probably safer for her.

Lynne
I have to admit that I never liked the feeling of being too full when I was nursing, but I ... so that was good motivation to come up with alternatives! Emotion: smile One mom to another, Neo, I've got your back!

As Lynne mentioned, I am concerned about mastitis. However, I broke down and fed her. I fed the puppies first (or again), then she came down to nurse them, there was a shark attack, but since I left to flying saucer in the expen, she was moreinterested in eating than anything else.
But then some of the puppies were interested in eating solid food again (they feed in waves of interest) and I rationalized that it was good for everybody, including mom, to be eating from the same dish. I don't want to force wean them too early, either.
I don't have a problem cutting back her food, but even I mushed out at starvation. Meanwhile, I've been fasting today.

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