I've had my JR puppy for close to a month now (She's 3 mo), and I want to say that I believe in Jerry Howe's method for training my dog. I hate how he makes Webster cry with his way of writing, and the fact he quotes every damn posts written since the Big Bang in every replies he does. A lot of you consider their dogs as a part of your family, but I read so many posts about screaming, choking, shocking, pinching, beating the living crap out of your dogs that I wonder why some of you have them at all. Do you raise your kids that way, or you raise them with kindness to the best of your abilities?
Yes, Jerry's online personnality totally sucks, and he would be better served by having his Wit's End document speak for itself and reply to people with the same kind of eloquence he shows in his manual. Unfortunately he doesn't, and as a result, the majority of people here tuned him out. If you hate the messenger, don't disregard his message, and do yourself the favor of downloading his manual and read it at least once. Your dog deserves it.
Like previously stated, I have a 3 mo Jack Russell, and a lot of people think these dogs become totally insane when left alone. Mine has the full run of the house when I'm at work already. Why? Because she did go totally insane when I left her in her crate, crapping on herself in the process. It was not fun. I followed Jerry's advice and did the "Separation Anxiety" method in the manual, and my house has not been destroyed. Dog happier, house not destroyed? That's all I needed to know.
If you're wondering, nope, she's not housebroken yet, and I do come back with her business on the floor. Winter is starting here in Montreal and she really hates going outside in the cold (sorry Jerry, it's really not instinctive in her), so I know I will have some difficulties with the housebreaking process. Do I get frustrated to have to wash the floor every day? Yeah I do, but I try my best not to show it to the dog. That's the small price I decided to pay to have that small furball in my life. I'm confident she'll get the hang of it, but I know that it's not going to happen with kicking and screaming.

Tune out Jerry if you want if he doesn't make sense to you. But give his Wit's End manual a good look, because when he wrote it at that point in his life, he did.
Denis
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... I read so many posts about screaming, choking, shocking, pinching, beating the living crap out of your dogs that I wonder why some of you have them at all.

Please cite 5 original posts from people here more than 5 years. At a volume of about 100 or messages a day, every day, surely you can directly cite a small handful to support your contention, yes?
Do you raise your kids that way, or you raise them with kindness to the best of your abilities?

Kindness and discipline, darling. One without the other is ineffective.
Unfortunately he doesn't, and as a result, the majority of people here tuned him out.

Well, it's that combined with the knowledge that the information he put in his manual is derived from other, less obnoxious sources.
Jerry Howe is a ficticious name used by an anomous man who is handy with the computer. The proof that I wrote The Wits End Dog Training Manual, is that I work with K95 for the government where it is widely used.
Dr. Burnadette Opfelia, otherwise known as drgutsydorightdog.
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A lot of you consider their dogs as a part of your family, but I read so many posts about screaming, choking, shocking, pinching, beating the living crap out of your dogs that I wonder why some of you have them at all.

What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of which you have read so many. While you're going through them, point out those which recommend shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
A lot of you consider their dogs as a part ... I wonder why some of you have them at all.

What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of which you have read so many. While you're going through them, point out those which recommend shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you. Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

No kidding. I've been here a couple of years now, and sometimes a newbie shows up who says he screams at his dog and it doesn't help, or that he whaps his dog with a newspaper for peeing in the house or something, and all the regulars point out that these methods are counterproductive, cruel, and just in general a Really Bad Idea. So unless this poster is sorting carefully for only posts from clueless new people many of whom do realize the error of their ways and begin using more effective and less stressful methods of training, and the rest of whom tend to get snippy and leave again I have no idea what he's talking about.
Katrina
... I read so many posts about screaming, choking, shocking, ... I wonder why some of you have them at all.

Please cite 5 original posts from people here more than 5 years. At a volume of about 100 or messages a day, every day, surely you can directly cite a small handful to support your contention, yes?

Sure, here's one on "Limited" choking, dated Nov 29th 05. Just look at the "Training Issues with 8 year old (newly acquired) Sheltie" thread and it didn't involve that much effort to dig out. Oh, but it's "Limited" choking, not real choking right? Ok, try putting on a pearl necklace that is perfectly fitted to your neck size when relaxed. Now breathe. Feeling comfortable? Want me to dig out other examples?

On 29 Nov 2005 18:38:12 -0800, "stevetuck...@usfamily.net"
One problem with him stopping is that the collar he has can slip off if he wants to stop. Should I get a "choke" collar?

Try a martingale/greyhound collar. It's sort of a 'limited' choke collar, meaning you can't keep continually tightening the collar down to nothing. It will tighten down to the width of the neck so the dog can't pull out of the collar.
Ludwig Smith
Unfortunately he doesn't, and as a result, the majority of people here tuned him out.

Well, it's that combined with the knowledge that the information he put in his manual is derived from other, less obnoxious sources.

You're right, his writing on the NG is obnoxious and as far as info taken from other sources, I couldn't say. If that's the case, well, his document is still well done and the methods presented make sense and appeal to me.
Regards,
Denis
Please cite 5 original posts from people here more than ... directly cite a small handful to support your contention, yes?

Sure, here's one on "Limited" choking, dated Nov 29th 05. Just look at the "Training Issues with 8 year old ... is perfectly fitted to your neck size when relaxed. Now breathe. Feeling comfortable? Want me to dig out other examples?

Yes. The below example is not an example of choking one's dog. Have you ever seen a martingale collar? Do you have a clue what they are? I do greyhound rescue, and the only collars we use are martingales or sighthound collars. They are not choke collars; they are collars designed to prevent a dog with a skinny head from backing out of its collar. Judging from the way some greyhounds and other dogs occasionally pull on the collars, tightening them around the neck produces little discomfort.
Try again. I would be particularly interested in posts where regulars discuss screaming at and beating the living crap out of our dogs.

Mustang Sally
Sure, here's one on "Limited" choking, dated Nov 29th 05. Just look at the "Training Issues with 8 year old ... is perfectly fitted to your neck size when relaxed. Now breathe. Feeling comfortable? Want me to dig out other examples?

Many women wear snug fitting necklaces called "chokers". Does that mean they are choking? Of course not. You're silly.
You're right, his writing on the NG is obnoxious and as far as info taken from other sources, I couldn't say. If that's the case, well, his document is still well done and the methods presented make sense and appeal to me.

well done? what drugs have you been taking? even if the content was wonderful, the thing is so poorly written that my dogs could do better.

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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