Interesting nutritional analysis. Higher in protein than Soya, high in lysine, all the essential amino-acids & vits. No trypsin/chymotrypsin inhibitors or natural oestrogen like soya has. No harmful alkaloids and only 10% fat.
If this is all for real, it should make the best base for hand rearing and maintenance diets we've seen yet.
check out: http://www.goodgrains.com/lupin characteristics.htm

Vox.
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YIKES, look at that protein level! About double what many species (and as high as 8 times for some) need...their poor kidneys!
owly
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Thank you.
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YIKES, look at that protein level! About double what many species (and as high as 8 times for some) need...their poor kidneys! owly

You don't really expect anyone to feed it as an exclusive diet, do you? Read my post again, I said a BASE for H/R and maintenance diet. Naturally it would have to be mixed with other ingredients. 10% fat is too high as well, for anything other than Macaws or Capes. Vox.
YIKES, look at that protein level! About double what many species (andas high as 8 times for some) need...their poor kidneys! owly

You don't really expect anyone to feed it as an exclusive diet, do you? Read my post again, I said ... be mixed with other ingredients. 10% fat is too high as well, for anything other than Macaws or Capes. Vox

What is the point of using this as a 'base' for hand rearing formulas? What is wrong with simply using a hand rearing formula on its own?
What is the point of using this as a 'base' for hand rearing formulas? What is wrong with simply using a hand rearing formula on its own?[/nq]You wouldn't be expected to know but most h/r formulas have a protein percentage of between 17 and 20% and that is usually soya protein, which leaves much to be desired. It is not easy to find a base staple with anywhere near the analysis claimed for this bean/pea. Aviplus in S.Africa are conducting a nutrititional analysis on lupins right now but then they are not as bright as you, are they now? Put a sock in it OM. You only show up your own ignorance when you go off at the mouth, just for effect, like you are doing at present.

I don't have the time or the inclination to mix my own H/r formula, so naturally I do use a proprietary brand and will continue to do so. I don't keep any babies reared on oestrogen loaded soya protein, back for breeding, because I believe that to be one of the prime reasons for them making poor breeders in the first instance. My post was meant to be informative. If you are not able to accept this without becoming confrontational, then kindly refrain from replying to anything I post in the future.
Vox.
Vox.
What is the point of using this as a 'base' ... with simply using a hand rearing formula on its own?

You wouldn't be expected to know but most h/r formulas have a protein percentage of between 17 and 20% and ... be desired. It is not easy to find a base staple with anywhere near the analysis claimed for this bean/pea.

the hell with the birds, where can i buy some for myself? Loren
Heck that was going to be my next question too and you'd have been right in that I wouldn't have known, hence the question...had I asked it...
owly (still trying to find that whole confrontational part...) http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com
*** See you at the West Michigan Parrot Festival ***

> Sat., 10/11 at the Holland, MI Civic Center! <

Farmer's Market will be adjacent, stock up on fall goodies too! This is a GREAT bird fair...Don't miss it!

Heck that was going to be my next question too and you'd have been right in that I wouldn't have known, hence the question...had I asked it...

Between you and OM, you add new meaning to the phrase ' menopausal knee jerk response'. The two of you are so predictable in your replies, you are becoming boring. I guess it didn't occur to either of you that existing proprietary brands of H/R formula might be improved by using a better source of protein and amino acids as THEIR base.
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