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It used to be anything the GR wanted to do, walk in the hills play fetch, whatever. Now, if I throw a ball, he will ignore it, choosing to wander about at a somewhat lackluster pace. He'll wander until I get bored and sedentary.

What are you doing to engage him, and to make him look to you for fun and entertainment? My dog has a lot of toys, but her favoritest toy in the whole wide world is *me*.

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He will bark at her, not only if she plays with any of the toys he never bothers with, but ... for 3 days now. I realize that getting the older dog over his apparent jealousy can take quite a while.

Are you sure it's jealousy, and not fun policing? Some dogs are crankypantses about other dogs bouncing around and having a good time. They just do not approve of it.

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Another thing I, personally, would do, would be to feed the Golden first, and not even near the puppy, give the Golden any rewards first, let the Golden out before the puppy; keeping the pecking order straight.

Trying to artificially impose a pack order between dogs is pointless. The dogs really don't care who *we* want to be top dog.
I would make sure both dogs are walked on a regular basis to tire them out.

That may or may not be useful. Walking is generally a good idea, but it doesn't necessarily do anything to stimulate the dog's brain, nor is it a very good source of physical exercise.
I would look for a dog park to let them socialize with other dogs and so you could throw a ball to them.

Ball fetching is also not necessarily a very good way to stimulate the brain.
If it were me, and I had a bored and lazy dog, I'd want to look at ways to engage the dog. Interactive activities that require the dog to think are important. Just walking the dog or chucking a ball is not going to cut it.

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Actually, you can really screw things up by trying to elevate Dog A over Dog B when Dog B has very strong opinions to the contrary.

Yep. People seem to assume oldest/first is the highest. While that may be true sometimes, it sure isn't always, and if you handle that wrong with many dogs, you'll have a dead dog.

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Collie never his to dog, though. week,

While we can't change history, suggestions for the present and ... so separate spaces in the yard is not an option.

Since you don't have a yard, then I would keep them in separate rooms for awhile. Another thing I, ... the Golden is a warning sign to the puppy to stay away. The puppy doesn't know any better yet.


Finally, some suggestions I can work with. I've been feeding him first and then feeding her in a different room because if she comes near while he is eating, he just walks away from his food.
He gets rewards first. While the nearest dog park is temporarily closed, there are many dogs in this neighborhood. In the past he has enjoyed running along the fence with other dogs. There are other dog parks, but they are large and pretty much open. I can't let him off leash because he wouldn't return.
It used to be anything the GR wanted to do, ... lackluster pace. He'll wander until I get bored and sedentary.

How about getting to training class and teaching your dog some stuff! Mind activity is as important as body activity. If he's already obedient - excellent - you can go to a higher level class and do more interesting stuff!

Janet, you might want to ask her another question.

HOW MUCH DOES HER DOG WEIGH?
My guess is:
2,678 pounds, in his stocking feet.

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Finally, some suggestions I can work with. I've been feeding him first and then feeding her in a different room because if she comes near while he is eating, he just walks away from his food.>>

You'd be better teaching them how to coexist by feeding her closeby in a crate or leashed with you supervising. Pfoley is WRONG about pecking order - you can't decide it.
He gets rewards first. While the nearest dog park is temporarily closed, there are many dogs in this neighborhood. In the past he has enjoyed running along the fence with other dogs.

That's not necessarily a good thing.
There are other dog parks, but they are large and pretty much open. I can't let him off leash because he wouldn't return.

OK! My first suggestion holds then - TRAINING CLASSES FOR BOTH DOGS.

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Janet, you might want to ask her another question. HOW MUCH DOES HER DOG WEIGH? My guess is: 2,678 pounds, in his stocking feet.

You may be about 2580 too much, but yeah..

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Finally, some suggestions I can work with. I've been feeding him first and then feeding her in a different room ... dog parks, but they are large and pretty much open. I can't let him off leash because he wouldn't return.

OK, how about this: identify what is working for you now, if partially, and build on it.
Maybe you could arrange for him to enjoy the open dog parks by training him to an e-collar and taking that along to enforce his recall. This kind of training requires care and, preferably, a little one-on-one with someone familiar with the collar, but you'll get effective results a lot sooner than trying to teach a fully reliable recall to a dog with limited motivation.
IMO the "feeding first" thing is getting over-interpreted. If it is working, fine. It may help your dog feel you still value him; it might be irrelevant. I don't think it constitutes a massive meddling in the dogs' natural hierarchy.
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