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Getting back to the original topic..I agree with the "real fence" crowd. First, I don't like anything that causes shocks, however "small".
Also:
I live in a suburban evironment that many people here would probably call city. We installed a fence before we got our first dog.

After a couple of years a muskrat climbed under it and attacked our gullible, friendly and apparently slower-witted-than-a-muskrat Pit Bull mix. Fortunately the varmint didn't have rabies and left her with just a minor puncture wound on one claw. It was this even that made me realize that the fence is a good idea for at least 2 reasons. (I also reinforced the bottom of it all the way around.)
"egoebelbecker" (Email Removed) said in
First, I don't like anything that causes shocks, however "small".

Stay away from nylon socks on wool carpet. Oh, and doorknobs.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
First, I don't like anything that causes shocks, however "small".

Stay away from nylon socks on wool carpet. Oh, and doorknobs.

Also polartec and border collies.
Kathleen
Stay away from nylon socks on wool carpet. Oh, and doorknobs.

cats and dogs, too.

shelly
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http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com /
First, I don't like anything that causes shocks, however "small".

Stay away from nylon socks on wool carpet. Oh, and doorknobs.

And "Lost."

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Hi, we have recently got our second Choc lab (male) and he's doing the same old thing when we let ... wonder if anyone can recommend them? If so, which make/brand (I need to get one for England, incidentially) Regards, Mark.

Both the RSPCA and Dog's trust, along with the APDT and APBC are calling for them to be banned - and given that the new UK Animal welfare bill is on the brink of becoming law, you may end up spending a good amount of money on something you are not legally allowed to use.
If you can't fence your garden, make all outdoor excursions supervised ones. My weim is happy enough with this arrangement.
Diana

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Both the RSPCA and Dog's trust, along with the APDT and APBC are calling for them to be banned

Upon what basis? Their false sense of security or that they deliver an electrical shock?

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Both the RSPCA and Dog's trust, along with the APDT and APBC are calling for them to be banned

Upon what basis? Their false sense of security or that they deliver an electrical shock?

Remote TRAINING collars aren't banned in the UK, so I don't know how they could ban electronic fences.
But, then again, those balmy Brits just loove to ban things.

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