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A fetus is a parasite.

That's a bizarre statement. A fetus has been shown to have the effects* of a parasite in the first few weeks, but these dissipate (such as morning sickness). Having the *effects* of a parasite does not make it an *actual parasite. Wow. What a leap in logic.

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If it's legal to abort an unborn child (fetus), then there should be no question that declawing cats or any other animal should be legal.

I think it's quite apparent that your are trying to start some kind of flame war by comparing two completely different practices.

Yep, I got 'em down as a flamer, in which case there's no point.

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BTW it is spelt foetus NOT fetus

Not in the States it isn't. Emotion: smile
Fetus.
Like colour, color, behaviour, behavior, etc...

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No, but I wouldn't let it roam the neighborhood unattended, either.

One of my cats likes to go out. The other two I'm working on. Emotion: smile I think being outside ATTENDED is great. I think all cats should be able to go outside on their property or on a lead, just like dogs. I think they get a great enjoyment out of it and lots of stimulation. I do not think cats belong roaming around the neighborhood any more than dogs should.

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If it's legal to abort an unborn child (fetus), then there should be no question that declawing cats or any other animal should be legal.

Your logic here is completely lacking.
How do I assure or how do I give them a rewarding life? My cats getdaily exersize and play, lots of attention, a healthy diet, and they aresafe!

I'm not knocking your choice to keep your cats in. I do the same things for my cat, as you do for yours, but not every body can , they might not have the time and, more than likely, not have the knowledge.
Cats are safer indoors but not 100% safe , they can escape outdoors , jump from upstairs windows, swallow things , there could be a fire etc though these happen to any cat.
The only time any of them seems interested in going outside is whenthe man delivers Chinese food and once they realize it is coming inside that interest is gone!

LOL I read that cats are partial to chinese and indian food , now I know its true.
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If you could cat proof fence your yard or build a run , don't you think the cat would benefit?
Someone on another group said that cats are "indoor" pets, period. Cats are cats , "we" make them indoor pets . If you chose to or have to to limit your cat's life in this way then you must be able to understand what your cat needs and be able to replicate the life it's been designed to lead. (You as in one )
If I could create a space large enough for a dog to get the exersizeit needs and teach it to use a litter box...maybe!

You can exercise a dog in the house in a small space , I throw Dibbys ball up and down the hall , again and again and again Dogs don't seem to mind repetition but cats are much more intelligent .

yes , Tales, that's the thing, how valid are they ? In some cases very valid but for every single cat owner ...
When I adopted my animals I did so knowing I would protect themanyway I could. I could never live with myself if one of them was hurt or killed because I found it easier to let them fend for themselves then givethem attention.

A cheap shot! I've seen this sort of attack on the "keep you cat in" brigade's web site. Can you justify and validate your reasoning that every outdoor/indoor cat owners let their cats out because they are lazy and don't want to give them attention ? Every indoor cat owner is good and every indoor cat owner is bad. Sure ! There are lazy outdoor cat owners , but the majority of them let their cats out because they believe it is best the cat , just as you believe you are doing the best for your cat.
Teenagers have this strange instinct that makes them want to runwild, do drugs, and such...it must be natural then and as a parent would youjust let them do what came naturally?

That's not just limited to teeangers! BG
Cats are hunters , they're primed to hunt for survival and to breed. Humans aren't primed to take drugs, though they're primed to have sex. I don't think you compare a cat hunting and killing a bird with teenagers doing drugs . As to sex , you spay your cat to stop him or her wandering off in search of sex and it's the strongest instinct a cat has. With teenagers you can either lock them in the bedroom and bar the windows or explain the dangers of sex and make sure they have contraceptives or tell them to say no. You train and guide a teenager from childhood to be a decent adult . They can think in the abstract and animals don't.
As I've said before , I don't believe that every cat should go out or every cat should be kept in , it depends on the circumstances. But I really don't understand why indoor cat owners in general accept that cats must live a total indoor life and don't bother to fence their garden or build a run when they wouldn't expect a dog to live like that .
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If it's legal to abort an unborn child (fetus), then there should be no question that declawing cats or any other animal should be legal.

Not so. Amputation without benefit is mayhem. A fetus is a parasite.

A fetus is not a parasite. But if you argue that fetuses are parasites, then I can also argue that cats are parasites. By the way, declawing have benefits such as the owner's convenience, savings realized by not replacing furniture all the time, etc. You just don't happen to agree with them. But you can't deny they are benefits.
De-clawing is done solely for the convienience of the owner of the cat whereas an abortion can be performed for ... gestation when 2 doctors have seen the mother, agreed upon the need for the procedure and both consented to it.

The main reason for abortion is the convenience of the mother (and father) of not having to take responsibility for the child (they call it psychological harm: oh, my cat is ruining my fine Italian leather furniture, it's causing me grave psychological harm to have to entertain guests with shredded leather furniture, ...).
By the way, declawing have benefits such as the owner's convenience, savings realized by not replacing furniture all the time, etc. You just don't happen to agree with them. But you can't deny they are benefits.

They are not benefits for the creature upon which the mutilation is performed. What would be a medical benefit to the cat of declawing? BTW, even in countries where declawing is not permitted, an exception can be made if the vet determines there would be a medical benefit to the cat.
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