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Hi Cheryl , The gardens in the UK I expect are much smaller than Us ones. My own back garden is small about 40ft by 40ft .

Mine is huge (for me, and the area I live in) - way more than I need. Probaby double that since I have a corner lot. 40 x 40 sounds perfect!

It depends when the
houses were built . The older the house the bigger the garden . Most people value their privacy and put up larch panel fencing. It would be easy to attach an overhang.

The pictures I've seen that I really like are the ones with shrubs, or vines covering the fence so it looks impossible to climb (well we know cats, they can do ANYTHING.. hehe). The top of some fences in pics I've seen had some lattice making it really high, and for the vines to entwine through. Some of the pics made it look just so charming and well, very cat-proof. Emotion: wink That's what I want to do!
I think if a cat was used to going
outdoors in the yard , if he escaped he wouldn't panic and I doubt if he would go far he would know his territory and come back .

I have no doubt this is true and I've seen the strays here stay relatively safe and not wander far if they have a food source. The problem here is that the road I live on is very busy; mostly at rush hour 2x per day and even during the day non-rush, it seems to be a popular truck route and no- one obeys the 30 MPH speed limit because it drastically goes from 45 to 30 only a couple of blocks from my house. I don't think going out in the backyard is going to make them wise in the way of cars. I just pray they never do get out. That would be a disaster! Emotion: sad
For those that don't know, in the UK we refer to our yards as gardens even though it could be just a concrete patch . In the south , it's an insult to call someone's garden, a yard!

LOL I guess here all I've ever heard the grounds of the property called either a yard, or simply, the property.

Cheryl
We have a small yard (or garden, as you say) as well, but it'swell fenced. You

bring up a good point about a cat knowing its territory, however.Our cats go out in our backyard and also ... us and about four houses north (why this is as far as they everwant to go, I don't know.) >>>

Isn't this strange ! That's exactly how far Kim goes when she follows me but she prefers to walk through the neighbours front gardens. Maybe they orientate themselves by counting the houses
Since they know the area (and our neighbors know us and our cats because they see us out walking them) ... cats may be, that they wouldn'tknow what to do or where to go, and could run off who knows where.>

Kim "escapes" sometimes in the night if I have to let the dog out .I'm half asleep and she zooms out . Then she sits on the doorstep and comes back in with Dibs. Now and then she won't come back in , not even for a treat and I can't sleep . After half an hour, she'll come back in and all that time she just sits on the step. Alison
Mine is huge (for me, and the area I live in) - way more than Ineed.

Probaby double that since I have a corner lot. 40 x 40 soundsperfect!

If I had a larger garden I'd love to have pygmy goats and ducks. I don't know what the neighbours woild think !
The pictures I've seen that I really like are the ones with shrubs,or vines covering the fence so it looks ... Some of the pics made it look just so charming and well,very cat-proof. Emotion: wink That's what I want to do!

Sounds like my B.I.L's. garden . Every year, he grows grapes and makes undrinkable wine !
To be honest I doubt if that would keep a young cat in .
I have no doubt this is true and I've seen the strays here stayrelatively safe and not wander far if ... them wise in the way of cars. I just praythey never do get out. That would be a disaster! Emotion: sad

That's true , I would hope that the noise would scare them away but you don't know what a panicking cat would do . I don't think I would let a cat out near a road like that even if it was used to traffic . Alison
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No, actually, it was pretty easy because she doesn't normally wee on cement and I always took her to the same grassy spot outside to go. Actually, I don't think she's ever pottied on cement unless it was all snowy and she couldn't tell where the grass was LOL. So I just taught her to walk on the sidewalks like one would normally teach a loose lead walk; that is, the leash was not long enough for her to get to the grass in the beginning and she was already taught loose-lead walking.

Gradually I let it be longer and told her "get off the grass" if she tried to go on it. When she came back on the walk, praise and treat. Mild collar correction if she didn't come back on the walk. Treat and praise for coming back after the correction.
Now she just stays on the walk out of habit, no matter how long the lead is. If she starts to stray onto it because of a squirrel, bird, etc, I just tell her "get off the grass" and she knows what that is.

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That is strange. Roger Tabor, the British naturalist, did a study of London cats and their natural territories. He did find that spayed females tend to stick close to their own houses, sometimes never straying from their own home and garden. Maybe ours go a little further up the walk because our front yard is small.
That is strange. Roger Tabor, the British naturalist, did a studyof London

cats and their natural territories. He did find that spayed femalestend to stick close to their own houses, sometimes never straying from theirown home and garden. Maybe ours go a little further up the walk because ourfront yard is small.

Hi,
I have Roger Tabor's Domestic Cat Behaviour book , great book, lovely photos. I'm just looking at the diagram. It's an ariel photo of an estate , rather like mine , but the houses look a little wider and the gardens a bit bigger. I think Kim goes that far because she follows me. But the distance is itself isn't that much , maybe 30/40 yards. Also there's a higher density of cats in the diagram , virtually a cat in every property, which limits territory. I find with Kim stays on her property and leaves it for about half an hour every morning and sometimes in the afternoon or evening . Alison