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Lucy said POINT ME TO THE SOURCE.
Okay, LazyLucy, for the hundredth or so time, here's just one for you to look at. PWs Family Pack Leadership Exercise is David "the Dogman" Kline's Walking Thing. It's based on Konrad Lorenz. And, no, I absolutely refuse to just give you a link. You've got to do a little work and learn something - something you have consistently refused to do.
Lynn K.
Lucy said POINT ME TO THE SOURCE. Okay, LazyLucy, for the hundredth or so time, here's just one for you ... a link. You've got to do a little work and learn something - something you have consistently refused to do.

If you think he/she/it is gonna make any effort, you crazy, mang.
Lucy said POINT ME TO THE SOURCE. Okay, LazyLucy, for the hundredth or so time, here's just one for you to look at. PWs Family Pack Leadership Exercise is David "the Dogman" Kline's Walking Thing.

And for the hundredth or so time, THIS is NOT what anyone who went to school understands by "giving a source". You think that parroting the same thing again and again will make it true; it won't.
It's based on Konrad Lorenz.

It could be based on the Bible, the Quran and Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" taken together, for what I care; you still have proved nothing about Jerry's alleged plagiarism. You ask us to believe that it's true because you say it is, but your saying so is just that: YOUR saying so. Until you can give the exact reference that ANYONE can read and compare to what Jerry wrote in his manual, your plagiarism accusation is nothing but slander. If you want to be a slanderer, OK, be my guest. But let it be very clear to you that - in absence of proof that the method was plagiarized - your claiming that it was is slander, nothing more. It tells a lot about you and nothing at all about Jerry. In Handsome Jack's words: nothing. Nada. Zilch.
And, no, I absolutely refuse to just give you a link.

Obviously, because no such link exists. If you had one, you'd have provided it six years ago, when you first mentioned David Klein (sic!) in connection with the plagiarism accusation.
You've got to do a little work and learn something - something you have consistently refused to do.

You seem to have a very strange idea about my duties in this forum and your obligation to make sure that I'm doing my "homework". But let me reveal a small secret to you: though guinea pigs are sometimes part of a research project, it is not up to THEM to assign the goal of the research or the tasks of the researchers.
Lucy
It could be based on the Bible, the Quran and Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" taken together, for what I care; ... more. It tells a lot about you and nothing at all about Jerry. In Handsome Jack's words: nothing. Nada. Zilch.

good job Lucy,
You've got her pegged.
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Hi Lucy,
Jerrys manual and posts aren't ABC's of dog training, I have read his manual and corresponded with him many times. He has great ideas about dog interaction and that is what he preaches, interacting with a dog, communication and understanding how to work with a dog and get a dog to work with you. His manual and post never spell out the answers intentionally, he wants people to learn to think and work out solutions for themselves. He gives direction and in his own nutty and insulting way is very clever.
His methodology is to look at a situation and say "my dog isn't doing what I want or am asking, hmm from my experience, inventiveness and intuition how can I encourage it to follow my request?" and come up with a clever and unique solution. Seems like a good method to me.

So why don't people want to listen, well his arrogant and demeaning attitude, his rants and raves etc. certainly don't inspire people to want to follow him, but often people just want answers, they are lazy and don't want to work things out, they want someone to tell them how to stop the dog "doing" whatever they don't want to really spend the time learning and understanding they want a "good dog" and that's all and if a choke or prong or shock collar or a sharp correction intimidates the dog enough to suffer in silence then that'll do. It's a pity but it's the truth.
Paul