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Max is the opposite - a complete gentlemen while indoors with perfect recall and come. No indoor destruction what so ever (as I knock on wood). Just sleeps in his chair.

that's how Maui used to be after he learned how to behave and before he entered this new phase of crazy!
Now - outside - a 180. 50% come - no recall and a complete menious to all those non-human around him.

that's how Maui used to be too but now he listens better outside.
Well, I will start on a positive note, his outside ... that well and I would love to improve on that.

I agree with Judy, and I think I recall that he is about a year old? Maybe a bit of ... to have something in hand, you can just take whatever he's chewing on and then go looking for the replacement.

sounds good, thanks
On an unrelated topic, my brother brought a new puppy ... little ball of fire is too fiesty to be Molly.

We will be needing peectures.

I will put them on Maui's dogster page when I get some and give you a heads up. She is a cutie.
Zoe's pretty trendy and I might have avoided it if I knew that in advance. In my little corner of ... exactly like my Zoe only tiny and blonde. Therefore I believe she is named correctly. She's also a little spitfire.

Well, my brother's girlfriend decided to name the puppy Molly, which is totally not fitting for her and gets to be a bit of a tongue twister when talking about both dogs (Maui and Molly).
I recommend Chloe, which is what I wanted to name Zoe, but someone in my book group has a daughter named Chloe, so I thought that wouldn't be right. Anyway, enjoy the new puppy in the family!

Thanks, Maui is in dog heaven whenever Molly visits. They both go at it and have a lot of fun. I can't wait for Maui to have a sibling.
But if it is the teenage thing, the answer is complete consistency and insistance on compliance. Sometimes it seems like ... almost like starting with a puppy - except the learning curve is much faster. You're reminding, not teaching from scratch.

sounds good, thanks.
I found this audible only collar and was wondering if these work at all to help proof the commands and his listening. Any input appreciated. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd id=845524441780735&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East id=2534374302023689&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder id=2534374302032915&bmUID=1130263559495

no one actually commented on the effectiveness of using audio only collars. does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with them? if so, please share. if not, I guess I will try one and just return it if he doesn't care about the noise.
I found this audible only collar and was wondering if ... his listening. Any input appreciated. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd id=845524441780735&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East id=2534374302023689&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder id=2534374302032915&bmUID=1130263559495

no one actually commented on the effectiveness of using audio only collars. does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with them? if so, please share. if not, I guess I will try one and just return it if he doesn't care about the noise.

The dog isn't going to care about the noise unless you train it to.

It's like using clickers. The dog doesn't associate the click with having performed a correct action by magic. It has that association because the trainer has created it.

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no one actually commented on the effectiveness of using audio only collars. does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with them? if so, please share. if not, I guess I will try one and just return it if he doesn't care about the noise.

It really didn't sound to me like it was necessary for the Mau-man. That's why I was making suggestions for other ways to handle his acting up. My approach would be a return to basics and a high level of consistency.

Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Rosalie the calico
I found this audible only collar and was wondering if ... Any input appreciated. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd id=8455244 41780735&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East id=2534374302023689&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder id=253437 4302032915&bmUID=1130263559495

no one actually commented on the effectiveness of using audio only collars. does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with them? if so, please share. if not, I guess I will try one and just return it if he doesn't care about the noise.

Ummm... All the noise is is a pager - it's a cue, not a correction. The vibration collars are the same. If you need to correct your dog for a bomb-proof recall, you need to get the real deal in an e-collar *IF* you plan to use the collar as a training tool. And should you choose to do this, I suggest that you find a very good field dog trainer and go watch him work first - if you see jumpy or cowering dogs, LEAVE. Today's e-collars have variable controls that you can fine tune to exactly the point at which you will distract your dog. It takes a little bit of finesse and some knowledge to use this tool humanely and effectively, but many trainers ARE with no ill effects upon the dogs.
But I would suggest that if your dog isn't coming when called, you can beep or vibe all you want - he'll ignore that, too.
I use a vibration/stim collar on my deaf pit bull. I haven't had to use the stim more than 2 or 3 times since our initial training sessions last spring, and now I almost never even have to use the vibration - she has learned to stay within a radius of me and she does not go outside of her boundary unless I tell her it's okay.
But from what you said about your dog breaking stays about 50% of the time and his reactivity to distractions, I'd really suggest that you enroll him in another obedience class and work him through this stage without gimmicks. Using an e-collar for proofing or a beeper/vibration collar for recall at a distance (that IS what they were designed for - hunting dogs that get so far away from their handlers that they can't hear them or are inclined to ignore them) is not a substitute for a solid foundation in obedience.

Hope this helps...
Regards,
Tracy
no one actually commented on the effectiveness of using audio ... just return it if he doesn't care about the noise.

The dog isn't going to care about the noise unless you train it to. It's like using clickers. The dog doesn't associate the click with having performed a correct action by magic. It has that association because the trainer has created it.

so if I do get this, I would need professional help to use it? I see, thanks for the warning. I will look into this type of class or something similar.
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