It's a bizarre question, but bearing in mind the person asking it, that's not saying much (I asked a librarian coworker once where a theoretical book about cannibalism, focusing on recipes, would be shelved if it existed - the answer was 'most likely, it'd be anthropology crossreferenced with cookery, 390+641.55(083.1)MEAT, but if it was ACTUALLY definitely a cookbook, then it'd be the other way around - either way, we don't have anything in stock.').

I'm curious about what species of lizards fit into a particular 'interest bracket' of mine, and I'll describe what I really like, shape/size/attitudewise that might apply to lizards - if you know of something that fits in my categories and have experience with the species, I'd love to hear about it. Before anyone asks, I'm not planning to buy anything right away - I want to get ideas of what I might like, and be able to do plenty of research before I even think about thinking about getting a(nother) vivarium set up. This is more of a 'if I can afford my dream herp someday, this is what I want it to be'
Okay, so here's the list of things that, if I got another lizard, I'd like it to be:
1. Somewhere in the range of one to three and a half feet in totallength. Bigger than a leopard gecko, even if comparatively more of it is tail length - but not as big as the four-foot black roughnecked monitor that a local herp shop's got, and definitely not the size of a Nile or a healthy male iguana. The middle of this range would be preferable - two feet or so.

2. Primarily insectivorous if possible, but definitely NOT primarilyherbivorous. I don't have the desire to feed an animal more and better salad than I get to eat. Feeding freeze/thaw mice wouldn't be a problem particularly, but I prefer the idea of feeding invertebrates.
3. More on the 'slight' build side of things - beardies, thoughthey're pretty cute and sound relatively easy to keep, have clunky wide heads and tubby bodies. This also rules out savannah monitors/Bosc monitors (if they haven't already been by the size mentioned) because they're pretty wide-headed. By comparison, the Kimberly Rock monitors ( Varanus gouldii ?) and the Green Tree monitor ( Varanus prasinus ) have EXACTLY the shape of head I like, from the photos I've seen. Very dromaeosaurid-looking heads. The long tail of the Kimberly Rocks is also appealing in a physical appearance sense.
4. Not going to stress at being handled regularly but not extensivelyat least after getting through the skittish hatchling stage. What I mean is basically 'I can clean the cage, move the lizard for feeding into a separate container and have the lizard not panic when being held gently for ten minutes each day' Sort of a 'display animal with maintenance handling', as I see it. I'm not looking for a pet I can have free-roaming in my house, to sit on my lap or let me pet it for hours like a cat, because that's what I've got cats for.
5. Available captive-bred - not captive-farmed or wild-caught. I haveone wild-caught animal, a Timneh grey parrot, and I will NEVER own another WC if I can avoid it. If I can't find a captive-bred specimen, no matter how much I like the species, it's off the list. Conversely, since this is a 'dream herp', price is no real object in terms of captive-bred hatchling - if it's something that fits ALL of my criteria, but it'll cost me thousands of dollars to buy a CB baby... then I'll start saving up.
I've considered things like the tree monitors, the Kimberly Rock monitor - but are there any OTHER lizards out there that fit the bill, that aren't monitors (and do you have any experience or know of any issues with the monitors that DO fit the brackets?) And now that I've mentioned my criteria, you know why I couldn't Google for it - because Google just isn't set up to answer that kind of thing.

Anyhow, any replies will be much appreciated (Any applies will be much repleciated?)
- Ssthisto

2.4 Eublepharis macularius (2.0 patternless, 0.1 albino, 0.1 blizzard,
0.1 hypomelanistic, 0.1 hypomelanistic tangerine)
1.1 Felis silvestris catus (randombred rescues)
0.1 Canis lupus familiaris var German Shepherd Dog, (who is AKA IdiotMutt or 'I'm going to trade you for a insert-other-animal-here ')
0.1 Psittacus erithacus timneh
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It's a bizarre question, but bearing in mind the person asking it,etc..

Based on your post, a few lizards come to mind (I am basing this response on what I have had or have..there are others that may fit the bill).
1.The first would be (on the smaller side) a Plated Lizard (Gerrhosaurus spp.).
Plated lizards are shy by nature, but can be accustomed to the presence of people if handled carefully and routinely. They eventually become relatively handleable, as lizards go. Even when threatened they rarely bite.

Stay away from "Big Box"-type pet stores (PETCO, PetSmart, etc) as most of what these larger stores carry are wild-caught imports. Do some searching on the net and find some breeders (there are a few who breed these).
2.Blue-tongued Skink (Tiliqua spp.)
Here again, stay away from most pet stores and find a breeder (BTS are becoming quite popular captive-bred); so finding a source shouldn't be too difficult. (Contact me if you would like a list of breeders)
3. Cunningham's Skinks (Egernia Cunninghami)Similar to Blue-tongued Skinks, but prefer more in the way of insects in their diet than do the BTS. They are by no means aggressive, but can be a little "flighty" at times.
Just a few suggestions.
~Wade
I've considered things like the tree monitors, the Kimberly Rock monitor - but are there any OTHER lizards out there ... up to answer that kind of thing. Anyhow, any replies will be much appreciated (Any applies will be much repleciated?)

How about a tegu? Blues supposedly get around 3-3 1/2 feet long. Argentines and reds are bigger than you're looking for, unfortunately (they're a favorite of mine). The Columbian fits the sizing perfectly and is a gorgeous display animal, but is really flighty and aggressive.

Jennifer
By comparison, the Kimberly Rock monitors ( Varanus gouldii ?)

/Varanus glaureti/.
and the Green Tree monitor ( Varanus prasinus ) have EXACTLY the shape of head I like, from the photos I've seen. Very dromaeosaurid-looking heads.

Not really, from what I've seen the dromeosaurs look quite different in their cranial anatomy, although the folks who made Jurassic park did seem to base the appearence of their version of the /Velociraptor/ on monitors.
The long tail of the Kimberly Rocks is also appealing in a physical appearance sense. 4. I've considered things like ... monitors (and do you have any experience or know of any issues with the monitors that DO fit the brackets?)

Kimmy rocks are known to be rather delicate. Green tree monitors even more so. There seems to be something about the very long, very skinny varanids that makes them less hardy. I would probably suggest experience with hardier monitor species first.
There are ackies, of course. Hardy, friendly, active, within the size range you are looking for, eat mostly insects, and all in the U.S. and Europe are captive bred. They are stouter than many of the other dwarf monitors, but still much more slender than beardies or savannas.

The /Varanus tristis/ monitors (freckled goannas, black head goannas) also meet your criteria, are quite hardy, and are fairly slender.

Other than monitors, there are alligator lizards (although I don't know if many of these are being captive bred). The southern alligator lizard probably approaches the 1 foot mark and may exceed it. There are a large number of agamids that would meet your criteria - frilled dragons, water dragons, mountain dragons, and many more less common dragons. Some of the tropical teids might also match, but the only ones that come to mind are ameivas (high strung and flighty), tegus (on the large side), and caimen lizards (also large with specialized habits and diet), but some quick research might turn up some more. Perhaps the New Caledonian giant geckos would work? Maybe sungazers?

Good luck,
Luke

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I'm curious about what species of lizards fit into a particular 'interest bracket' of mine, and I'll describe what I ... of my criteria, but it'll cost me thousands of dollars to buy a CB baby... then I'll start saving up.

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Anyhow, any replies will be much appreciated (Any applies will be much repleciated?) - Ssthisto 2.4 Eublepharis macularius (2.0 patternless, ... (who is AKA Idiot Mutt or 'I'm going to trade you for a insert-other-animal-here ') 0.1 Psittacus erithacus timneh

A blue tongue skink was the first thing that popped into my head upon reading this.
1. The first would be (on the smaller side) a Plated Lizard (Gerrhosaurus spp.).

Hmmm... not really body-wise what my 'mental ideal' looks like. Very heavy-bodied, thick-necked compared to what I've got as a mental picture of 'my favourite lizard type'. The thing that looks like it knocks plateds out the most is the herbivory requirement... I really am thinking of a mostly-insectivorous animal.
2. Blue-tongued Skink (Tiliqua spp.) 3. Cunningham's Skinks (Egernia Cunninghami)

Lovely animals (even if they're NOTHING like my mental picture), but I've been 'vetoed' on this one by the guys - because neither of THEM likes 'skinks'. Being as I've found baby great plains skinks in my old house in Albuquerque (and what beautiful little white-lipped, black beasties they were) I've got a soft spot for skinks as a whole - but they still have the very broad head and sausage-like shape I'm not as keen on.
Though I'm NOT shooting down the ideas, since I've heard good things about blue-tongues (What are pink-tongued skinks like, incidentally?) as far as a handleable herp goes... but for the theoretical 'perfect lizard' for me, they just don't match the mental image. I'd almost be inclined to say my mental image is more like 'Take a green or brown anole and make it two feet long, and that's my perfect body shape'...

- Ssthisto
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I've considered things like the tree monitors, the Kimberly Rock ... any issues with the monitors that DO fit the brackets?)

How about a tegu? Blues supposedly get around 3-3 1/2 feet long. Argentines and reds are bigger than you're looking for, unfortunately (they're a favorite of mine). The Columbian fits the sizing perfectly and is a gorgeous display animal, but is really flighty and aggressive.

Now, these guys look really interesting. They are really VERY nice looking lizards - what are their temperaments like in your experience? I've read one or two accounts about 'em already which sound very happy-shiny - but what's the downside? (aside from the fact that a really determined 3 to 5-foot lizard of any species can certainly leave really big bite/claw marks in unarmored humans...)

Thanks for the suggestion here - tegus weren't something I'd thought of before!
- Ssthisto
Ackies
Uromostyx (or however it's spelt)
Crested gecko (the largest gecko species or so I'm told) Blue tongue skink
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