When I came home there were m ucho messages and read some and tried to remember the ones I wanted to respond to.
Anyway Lone, it is expected and it usually is the way that a dog needs a goo month to come around to their normal self.
I tell anyone that wants a dog from me that if they don't want to give the adoption a month anyway then to go else where,
That said I never followed your Ezra problems so do not know how tough of a dog she was.
That said MOST any new dog will create havoc in the new household.

Is the new dog a lot bigger than Ezra? The new dog is male ? And the new dog is the one that is attacking Ezra? Or the other way around?

So what exactly is the problem you are having? Is it more dog on dog or is it that you are afraid of this guy?
Has he lunged for you ? How? What happened to make him do so?

Most all of the dogs I get here are dominant aggressive and we work things out fairly quickly as hey Chessies are dominant personalities,and they get into aggressive mode by nerdy types that are intimidated by them.

I wish I lived near you so I could check out your new guy.

AS a suggestion I think you should name him, and also just give him a bit of time to chill out and get unstressed and be happy and fed.

Anyway I do hope things work out for the new guy.

Hey here is a name Nuguy!
All good thoughts
Paulette~
"The only thing about resisting temptation
is you might not get another chance"
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That said I never followed your Ezra problems so do not know how **** a dog she was. That said ... you are afraid of this guy? Has he lunged for you ? How? What happened to make him do so?

- Lets see
Ezra was a bit difficult. She had been heavily abused and was very fear aggressive. She didn't like anything or anyone. Ezra was afraid of all sounds, movements and things. She would try to attack anything that moved or had a pulse except me.
Picnic is a male, bigger than Ezra and tries to prevent her from having any contact with us by getting in between growling and going after her if she doesn't walk away, this makes Ezra want to defend her position by me, also when Picnic growls at me or snaps Ezra tries to get in between us. This means that if Picnic should decide to go after me, Ezra will be the one that will get hurt as she will defend me.
Picnic is pushy. One day he will like one thing like being brushed, the next day he will snap if you brush him. He is trying to be the one in charge and he doesn't back down from getting his view across.

He has snapped at me for telling him to get of the sofa, for taking him for a short run(which he had liked the previous days), for petting him (which he had asked for) for taking Ezra out on a walk and not him.

Lone
Do you know that for a fact, or could it be she was n not socialized?
and was very fear aggressive.

OK
She didn't like anything or anyone. Ezra was afraid of >all sounds, movements and things. She would try to attack anything that moved or had a pulse except me.

Ok but you knew what would spook her as she just needed time to trust.

How long before she came around?
Picnic is a male,

Ahh we have a name!!! : )
bigger than Ezra and tries to prevent her from having any contact with us by getting in between growling and going after her if she doesn't walk away, this makes Ezra want to defend her position by me,

So when she does have they duked it out yet?
also when Picnic growls at me or snaps Ezra tries to get in between us.

Okay for now just have Picnic NOT be able to come and cuddle with you, unless Ezra is not around. So it woul be great to just do a one on one with Picnic and with Ezra for the next few weeks.
This means that if Picnic should decide to go after me, Ezra will be the one that will get hurt as she will defend me.

I am almost sure that Picnic is going to let Ezra be boss.
Picnic is pushy. One day he will like one thing like being brushed, the next day he will snap if you brush him.

Ok, for the time being let Picnic just hang out and do not do much with him except taking him for walks and just sitting,just you two, away from home or have your husband take Ezra out for a special time.

When you feed them make sure you are there to make sure nothing starts up , and if Picnic finished first, take him out and away from Ezra finishing her food.

Do not give him ANYTHING like a toy or bone for now.

He does not want to know he can intimidate you.
The more exercise you can give him to tire him out the better as this will make him in a mellow mood.
Keep a lead on him so if he does get on the sofa and you tell him to get down, you can yank him down, (if you are not afraid) or coax him down with a treat.
He is trying to be the one in charge and he doesn't back down from getting his view across.

Do not let him get in the position of authority.
You go on the couch without him and call him to come to you on the couch and just let him be with you and when you get up talk to him and say. "Hey Picnic wanna go get a cookie" and this way he will want to get off the couch and pretty soon the couch will not be something he has to guard.

I do believe that Ezra will be able to handle things.

A Like I said a male usually will give in to the female and also Ezra was the first dog.
He has snapped at me for telling him to get of the sofa, for taking him for a short run(which he had liked the previous days), for petting him (which he had asked for) for taking Ezra out on a walk and not him. Lone

Is he snapping when you are putting the lead on? As i said just leave it on.

He is not deaf or blind is he?
Anyway Lone, I do hope you can work things out, as usually when a dog goes back to the pound for issues, well...: (
Paulette~
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"The only thing about resisting temptation
is you might not get another chance"
A Like I said a male usually will give in to the female

I know that this is based on your experience Paulette, but not all males do (I have one), and not all dog-dog issues work out well.

Suja
A Like I said a male usually will give in to the female

I know that this is based on your experience Paulette, but not all males do (I have one), and not all dog-dog issues work out well. Suja

Well Suja that is why I said usually,and here they have always worked out fine, and we only have our experienced to go by.
Mine happens to be hundred and hundreds of dogs and decades of rescuing and rehabbing.
Paulette~
"The only thing about resisting temptation
is you might not get another chance"
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Do you know that for a fact, or could it be she was n not socialized?

- No I don't know that for a fact but her reactions told me, she would react aggressivly towards hand and foot movements as well as certain sounds, direct eye contact, smile, people standing in doorways, people walking towards her etc.
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Ok but you knew what would spook her as she just needed time to trust. How long before she came around?

- It took her about one month to stop attacking my flat mate, 6 months for stopping going after BF, she is still a work in progress.
So when she does have they duked it out yet?

- I don't let them. I don't want a dog fight on my hands, and I don't want Ezra to get hurt.
I am almost sure that Picnic is going to let Ezra be boss.

- I am not so sure about that, and Ezra is not going to give up her status without a fight. Some males are very dominant.
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Ok, for the time being let Picnic just hang out and do not do much withhim except taking him for walks and just sitting,just you two, away from homeor have your husband take Ezra out for a special time.

- Hubby can't walk her without me. Ezra shuts down if I am not there. Besides I don't trust others with her.
The more exercise you can give him to tire him out the better as this willmake him in a mellow mood.

- We can't really exercise him yet, as he is very underweight and has no muscles. We will have to build that up before tireing him out.
Anyway Lone, I do hope you can work things out, as usually when a dog goesback to the pound for issues, well...: (

- I know, and that is the reason he is still here. How many dog and child free homes are out there who are willing and able to work with him. BF want to keep him, he just hasn't got the slightest idea of what he is getting into, not does he has the proper respect for his issues, which means that other people might get put in danger.
Lone
Do you know that for a fact, or could it be she was n not socialized?

- No I don't know that for a fact but her reactions told me, she would react aggressivly towards hand and foot movements as well as certain sounds, direct eye contact, smile, people standing in doorways, people walking towards her etc.

A lot of that can be because she was not socialized. But a moot point anyway.
Ok but you knew what would spook her as she just needed time to trust. How long before she came around?

- It took her about one month to stop attacking my flat mate, 6 months for stopping going after BF, she is still a work in progress.

SO how long have you had Ezra?
So when she does have they duked it out yet?

- I don't let them. I don't want a dog fight on my hands, and I don't want Ezra to get hurt.

Is Ezra that much smaller?
I just think most dogs do work it out on their own, and usually there is a lot of dog n noise and then that is that.
I say usually, as this is only from my experience. : )
I am almost sure that Picnic is going to let Ezra be boss.

- I am not so sure about that, and Ezra is not going to give up her status without a fight. Some males are very dominant.

Again IME I have not seen that many be like that with a female that was there first, dominant.
Of course things can be different, and you know the mood there.

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You mean she will not go for a walk?
Besides I don't trust others with her.

You do not trust her with him, or you do not trust him takingher out and getting into trouble perhaps with people?

Oh

I did not say this to guilt you into keeping Picnic, Lone. Just stating the facts. ONly you know what is what there.
Perhaps though it might be too much there to have another problem dog right now.
Have you spoken to the shelter?
HAve they given you his background?
Did you get Ezra from the same place?
How many dog and child free homes are out there who are willing and able to work with him.

Not many, but there are some. Emotion: smile
BF want to keep him, he just hasn't got the slightest idea of what he is getting into,

OIC
not does he has the proper respect for his issues, which means that other people might get put in danger.

Oh
LoneWell lOne you have to do what you feel is the best in the situation.

All Good Thoughts to the four of you!
Paulette~
"The only thing about resisting temptation
is you might not get another chance"
SO how long have you had Ezra?

- It will be 2 year at the end of January.
Is Ezra that much smaller?

- Yes, she is very small for a GSD and he is BIG.
.> You mean she will not go for a walk?

- If I am not here, she won't go for walks, she won't play, eat, be social etc.
You do not trust her with him, or you do not trust him takingher out and getting into trouble perhaps with people?

-I don't trust others to be on top of the situation. I know her and can read her. Lets just say that i don't call her my little hell spawn for nothing Emotion: smile
Have you spoken to the shelter?

- Yes, they are looking for a foster home for him. Bf and I have agreed that he is staying here as long as we are on top of the situation, as we don't want him to go back to the kennels. Getting back into the kennels won't do him any good. Picnic needs to be in a home with people who can work with him. We will see if we can get a behaviourist and/or trainer out and have a look at the situation and work with him/us. We don't want Picnic to be the looser. The more he is moved around the worse it will be for him, and he has bonded with Morten. So as for now he has a home here. We both like him a lot, he is a lovely dog, despite his issues Emotion: smile
HAve they given you his background?

- What they knew yes, which wasn't much.
Did you get Ezra from the same place?- No, she came with me from Denmark.

Lone
A Like I said a male usually will give in to the female

I know that this is based on your experience Paulette, but not all males do (I have one), and not all dog-dog issues work out well. Suja

Amen Suja. I have the Blade/Clovis thing. And no Blade does not always or often back down to Clovis when the situation arises. It gets pretty narly at times. Not really bad and there is no fur flying but it looks scary.
Luckily these incidences are not occurring very often again. They have never really loved each other, just tolerated each other.
Gwen
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