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In all truth, the original owners should be thankful that ... other options are really either dead or ina research lab.

Is that how you would feel if you lost Rusty and someone else ended up with him? It's a pretty ... agrees with you about this. I think the public believes strongly that the rightful owner should get her dog back.

Yes, it is. I would do what I could to get him back but in the end, I would be happy that he was alive and safe if he still couldn't be with me.

HOWEVER, it is not a risk he is microchipped, and so long as he doesn't wander into Canada it would not be difficult to find in my favor in a court of law. (Heck, probably even easier in Canada...)

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"> They kept this dog out of sight because one ... proportion emotional response to a very brief and slanted newstory?

My emotional response is based on my strong attachment to my own dog Have you ever been attached to a ... less than a week after it went missing, and the system was siding with the new "owner" rather than yourself?

Emotional attachment to any animal in no way equates to the ability to care for that animal responsibly. Children become emotionally attached every single day to animals in our shelter, but they aren't the ones we interview as potential owners. THe parents are. And, sometimes they aren't any more responsible than the kids.
Declining to defend one's self or organization in the media is NOT an admission of guilt or wrong doing. Just because the shelter offers little other than a basic "we're following the law" no comment type of comment doesn't mean a thing. Presumption of innocence is still a tenet in criminal law, if not civil. If Ms.Karanastasis believes that the shelter acted in a criminal matter, she should see her district attorney. Or retain a lawyer and sue in civil court.
Bear in mind that judges and juries in many civil courts have come up with some doozies of ridiculous verdicts that bear no relation to the facts of the case that was tried. My girlfriend was sued by her next door neighbor because her dog barked at the lady's elderly cat and it later died the same day. No necropsy, no vet report, no witnesses or anything, but her insurance company is appealing the $3000 verdict and she's shopping for a new insurance company for when this one finally cancels. The law is as full of whackos as is any other profession and not all of them are the clients.

I>f it happened to me, it would *** up my life in a BIG way.
Well, something* has obviously *already happened.
Emotional attachment to any animal in no way equates to the ability to care for that animal responsibly.

It relates very closely. I think that Charlie wrote well on this, and I agree with him.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Emotional attachment to any animal in no way equates to the ability to care for that animal responsibly.

Do you have any reason to think this dog was not cared for properly?
Children become emotionally attached every single day to animals in our shelter, but they aren't the ones we interview as potential owners. THe parents are. And, sometimes they aren't any more responsible than the kids.

So what?
Declining to defend one's self or organization in the media is NOT an admission of guilt or wrong doing. Just ... type of comment doesn't mean a thing. Presumption of innocence is still a tenet in criminal law, if not civil.

This isn't a criminal case, yet. Right now, it's a case of someone who wants her dog back.
If Ms.Karanastasis believes that the shelter acted in a criminal matter, she should see her district attorney. Or retain a lawyer and sue in civil court.

I'll bet it will happen if she doesn't get that dog back. And she'll have lots of support from dog lovers. I'll be good for a donation if someone sets up a legitimate fund.
If this were my dog, I'd pull out all stops and discovery would already be under way including depositions of shelter employees and a close look at the relationship between the new "owner" of this dog and the shelter.
Charlie
Emotional attachment to any animal in no way equates to the ability to care for that animal responsibly.

It relates very closely. I think that Charlie wrote well on this, and I agree with him.

Thank you Matt. I hope this story doesn't fade until someone does the right thing and returns that dog to its rightful owner.

Charlie
I'd consider suing in this case. I hope the original owner does, if nothing else but to get some answers from the shelter about where her dog was during the times she visited but didn't see her.

The problem with a lawsuit is that the costs of defense will come out of the shelter's budget (I assume). Win or lose, the ones that really get hurt by a lawsuit are the animals (less money availble to care for them).

What a fkuced up situation... I really feel for the owner.

FurPaw

Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

To reply, unleash the dog.
I am hoping they work well, if not it is a fairly inexpensive experiment, as long as I don't lose a dog...

exactly. i figure, for that price, i can afford to buy replacements if they do lose their collars. better safe than sorry.
I worry as they wrestle like a couple of angry bears and I would hate for them to get hurt.

yeah, mine like to do WWF wrestling. they've even managed to wear down a "wrestling mat" in the center of the yard, where the grass is ground down into tiny nubs. they also drag each other around by their faces and necks, which is what concerns me most.
they do not even stand on the fence (yet) and I hope they never learn..

hopefully! mine have been taught to keep their feet off the gate, but i haven't been as diligent about making them keep their feet off the fence. i used heavier livestock fencing this time, though, and it holds up better to that sort of abuse than the welded wire type fencing. the only problem with livestock fencing is that the dogs think they should stick their heads through it to graze on the grass on the other side. they look like an itty bitty herd of cows . very silly.
Exactly, I am thankful that when I did have an escapee (wolf/mal x) years ago the one time someone tried ... and have been know to stop traffic etc. to retrieve dogs as I hope others would do that for me..

yep. when i lived in town, i was a terrible busy body when it came to wandering dogs. i'm not as apt to stop and pick them up now, because i know where most of them live and their owners just don't care that they're out in the road. right now, there's a little buff Cocker who's tugging at my heartstrings. his family lives on a bad curve, and they refuse to keep him contained. i've almost hit him on a couple of occasions, and have told the owners about it (hint: you're dog's in danger!), but they said they didn't have any use for a dog who's too stupid to stay out of the road. aaargh!
By the way your dogs are ADORABLE!!! And both had sad beginnings but it is obvious they are very loved now!!!

thank you! they're (mostly) a lot of fun to live with. at least i know that i'll never be bored!

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He's never gotten loose. I'm a belt-and-suspenders person (although I wear neither, come to think of it), so when I hook him up I make sure that his collar is clipped to something before I walk away from him.

heh. i'm overly cautious about that sort of thing, as well. even when i'm loading the dogs into the car, i'm paranoid about making sure they're harnesses are secured before i unhook their leashes from their collars. i don't know why, because they're so excited about getting in the car that they wouldn't notice a Harvey-sized rabbit if it whacked them on the head, but still.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
We are signing the boys up for a lifetime ID service. It is through Foster and Smith and I think that the AKC might have a similar program as well.

yep. both of my dogs have Home Again chips and are registered with the AKC's CAR program. they'll register tattoos or any brand of microchip, for any type of animal.
http://www.akccar.org /

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
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