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Speaking of ACDs, I'm worried about Ranger. Nothing I can point to, specifically, but the boy just ain't quite right the last few days. Very clingy, lots of sighs.

Unrequited love?
Paula
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Also Tara, yes I can see that I will need thick skin on the group because I am obviously on ... I do. I assume there will be another discussion this evening and this time I am putting down my foot!!

Don't think people here think you are awful. If you were arguing that it was great to bring in dogs and then throw them outside by themselves or else keep them in crates all day and night, people would be wondering about you. But I don't think any of us started out as pet owner of the year. I know for sure I didn't. I didn't know any better. Once I learned, I did better. That's what we care most about. Are you willing to learn better and do better? It sounds like you are, so that's fine with me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.Husbands are hard. Often they are harder than kids because they don't listen as well! But your husband does have to either step up to the plate or let this dog go to a different home. As you have seen, the long hours of kenneling are just creating a messy crate problem. The behavioral problems will get worse, not better. While the puppy is still really young, he has a better chance of finding a new home. If you wait until he is older to decide you just can't put up with all the trouble of a puppy with your current lifestyles (and no judgment there, I have decided I never want a puppy in my house again because it's just too hard), the dog will pay the price.

As will your marriage as you clean up the messes of a dog that your husband wanted and get more and more resentful. Having a young child just makes it harder because you have two little creatures that are too dependent on you and not very well trained to stay out of trouble if left on their own.
Maybe you could get an adult dog. In fact, given your husband's intentions and expectations, perhaps he could be talked into an older dog that already has some training. Check places like petfinder.com for dogs that are adults, so they can hold it longer and aren't going to go through teething stages. If they are already housebroken and have some house manners, which many of them are because many of them are being fostered in homes, you can have the dog in with the house dogs right off the bat.

You can let the dog out to play with the lab and in the meantime work on making the lab more able to come in more often, but at least then you only have one dog to work on. Make your husband clean out the messy kennel that "his" dog is creating and perhaps he'll think it over even sooner. As long as he doesn't have to pay the price of his decision, he's not likely to change his mind. Would you? But the longer this goes, the worse it will be for all involved.
Paula
Thank you for your comments. Last night was a good night with our puppy. When I got home I laid down some ground rules for my husband in regards to ALL the dogs. We spent lots of time with our older lab giving her lots of TLC and also with the other dogs and puppy. We found a nice area in the house and boxed it off for the puppy so that she could have a lot of room to play/sleep and eat during the night..there is absolutely nothing she can hurt in this area so it worked out fabulously..why we didn't think of it earlier?? Who knows!!! We have decided that we will make an effort to drive home once a day to let her out of the area so that she can go outside we will be sacrificing our entire lunch hour and fighting icy roads but that is what we must do so we will do it..I called several places around the area and could find nobody interested in the task.

It is differnent in this area..we don't have dog parks or dog sitters...other than a couple of kennels which are 10-20 miles away..we are originally from a little larger area in MN and there they do have all those things but in this small town USA they just don't have those things for animals. Although our hope is that come summer when kids are out of school we can find someone (a teenager) who is willing to go over to our house and play with our pets during the day.We stricly brought our puppy out on a leashe every 2 hours or more and she was extremely good about eliminating during that time and she got lots of praise in the mean time. She cuddled with me and the others on the couch for a period and we played a lot both inside and outside. We have been lucky this winter that we have had a mild one so that we can be outside. Tonight the plan is to go for a long walk with our outside lab (we both need the exercise) and then do lots of playing with all the pups.

This is definately going to be a lifestyle change for all of us but one that will be a lot of fun too. We will have lots and lots of enjoyment from all four of our pets they are all extremely sweet and well mannered. Our outside lab was thrilled last night to spend so much time with us and will benefit the most from our changes..I won't even be opposed to having her in the house if she wants to..she needs a good grooming also so I am going to work on that tonight as well.

We are going to step up to the plate and be good doggie parents. Not to mention we want our little girl to learn the PROPER way to care for animals. She is two and loves her puppies so we want her to be good with all of them too. We have seen children who kick at animals and are mean to them and we certainly do not find that acceptable and would never want our child to do that.
I think I really needed an awakening from you guys and I got that. The whole puppy thing..I think that we got so used to the way it was with our other dogs that we forgot all the extra work that goes into it..I know we will have our up and down days but we will make her life a good one and I will see to that.
I think I really needed an awakening from you guys and I got that. The whole puppy thing..I think that ... our up and down days but we will make her life a good one and I will see to that.

Sounds like you are all on the right track and your willingness to put in the time is just a huge factor here!
Just one note - I don't think the puppy needs her big area at night. My recommendation will always be to crate the puppy (doesn't need to be a big crate) in the bedroom overnight, particularly if the other dogs sleep in the bedroom. Otherwise, crate here where those dogs sleep. A substantial puppy can sleep through the night more often than not, but some may need a middle of the night outing. I think it would be more helpful than giving her the ability to eliminate indoors during the night.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Speaking of ACDs, I'm worried about Ranger. Nothing I can ... right the last few days. Very clingy, lots of sighs.

Unrequited love?

Or something similarly ephemeral. He was fine last night, back to as "normal" as he gets, but I'm keeping an eye on him. Any more high-school romance dramatics and he's off to the doctor.
I know we will have our up and down days but we will make her life a good one and I will see to that.

Sounds like you're off to an ambitious start! You really have your hands full!

I know your introduction seemed rough, but this is a great place to learn and discuss all sorts of different things.
In spite of being a regular reader here, we also let things slip with our dog when the last of her companions died. We needed a wake-up call. We were doing a lot better in our daily training with her until dog #2 came home. And all that would have been fine, too if a week later, dog #2 hadn't given us unexpected puppies. The puppies are 31 days old and I'm already behind in their training!
Exercising dogs, both physically and mentally is important. you've already had some great advice and I'm glad you were open to it.

Training dogs doesn't have to be a big formal thing, but classes are VERY HELPFUL. Training just needs to be a daily thing and everybody needs to be on the same program.
Best of luck, welcome to r.p.d.b. and stick around!

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=2E...I called several places around the area and could find nobody interested in the task. =A0It is differnent in this area..we don't have dog parks or dog sitters

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Did you call vets, groomers, Animal control? If you called all of those, what about posting an ad in the newspaper? Surely you could find someone, with good references, who would like to earn a few extra bucks by taking the dog out.=20
Marie
Thanks Janet for that note about crating at night. The other dogs sleep in the bedroom with us so we will put her in there as well..she is getting really good at night..she does not go on the floor or in the house..I wake up once in the night on my own and then I let her out..she goes right back to sleep on her new bed.. The last couple of days have been better during the day but still finding a couple of spots where she is messing on the floors even with us coming home at noon ..she seems to urinate on the training pad we have out but the other business gets kind of all over the place.

We are have just changed her puppy food too so that will take some adjustment too. Not to mention we are experimenting with her feedings too...we are breaking them up a little so that her tummy isn't too full in the morning or at night..periodic feedings are probably better??? Your opinion on that?? ..we will see how it goes but so far everyone is doing much better!!
experimenting with her feedings too...we are breaking them up a little so that her tummy isn't too full in the ... probably better??? Your opinion on that?? ..we will see how it goes but so far everyone is doing much better!!

Let's say, just for an example, that you leave for work at 8:30, come back home at noon, stay until 12:30, and back home at 5:30.

I'll say you're feeding 3c food/day, for calculations sake. I would probably feed 1c in the a.m. (6:00?), 1/2 c at lunchtime, and 1.5 cups at dinner. As she gets better at not needing to eliminate, 1/1/1 works. That way, she has something in her tummy, should have a good period of time for elimination in the morning (feed her right after you get up and take her out at least twice more before leaving for work), something in her tummy without being too much, for the afternoon, and dinner can be her longest processing time.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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