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I'm grooming Leah to be the voice of reason

I just swallowed my head.
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Kavik's holistic vet told me there was no scientific evidence more homeopathic remedies worked with the exception of acupuncture.

Correct me please, but I thought that acupuncture, TCM, et al, belonged to a general family of treatments categorised as "holistic" - homeopathy is only one of them.
My definition of homeopathy involves treatment of afflictions with tinctures of highly diluted toxins or, at least, the "mirrors" of toxic molecules.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
In one of Suja's posts, she mentioned that I've caught a lot of the same kind of flak. No duh. :} So has Gwen. Certain posters are subjected to a microscopic analysis of their posts, and others aren't.[/nq]That's not quite it, Leah. It may feel that way, but that's not it. It's not the person, it is the way the post is presented that is under scrutiny. I thought about responding to Marcel's post earlier and abandoned it, because I was convinced that there was no way I could say what I wanted to without hurting someone's feelings. I guess I'm going to say it anyway. Some people are likely to be more logical in their thinking than others, and I believe that it is reflected in the way we write.

You and Gwen happen to be of the 'hands get ahead of the head' ilk, and I think that is the reason a lot of your posts get scrutinized. And, if you set aside your wounded feelings, step back and look at the criticism that you have received, you will see that they are in fact well founded. This happens everywhere, and these groups are no exception, but when you have an established track record going in a certain direction, you are more likely to attract a little extra attention with your posts.

And, people may become a little harsher in their response to you because they are seeing certain patterns repeated with no apparent assimilation of the information that has been previously given.
I've seen a lot of comments justifying shelly's condescending delivery as "her style." Well, speaking from the heart is "our ... because I want help in seeing all sides of an issue, especially if my view is being clouded by emotion.

If what you want is someone else's viewpoint, ask for it. I'm sure you'll get the type of responses that you want.
What I don't want, and will no longer tolerate, is being addressed without respect. After four years here, it should be quite obvious that I'm sincere and my intentions are for the best.

That's precisely the problem. Having good intentions does not excuse bad advice. I hope you'll excuse me for saying so, but you can be very stubborn. It takes repeated attempts to get through to you, and that frustration can be a problem with some of the responses you receive. On more than one occasion, I've just opted not to respond to you, because it is incredibly frustrating and feels like it'll be a waste of my time, and I haven't even been around that long. And, there are times when I've wondered whether a particular response is given specifically to provoke.
If you think I'm wrong, I welcome corrections.

Honestly, I have to wonder about that. I'm sure you are sincere about what you've said, but your actions are not always consistant with that sentiment.
But if you do it by taking a bite out of me, I'm going to go postal on you. If you do it to others who I also believe are sincere, with good intentions, I'm also going to react.

Good intentions don't make good advice. And the whole point of being here is to discuss the advice being given, good or bad.
our facts straight. Well, let me offer the same advice to others. Read over what you write when you criticize somebody, and think about how you would feel if somebody sent the same post to you before you hit "send."

I don't think that criticizing the post is the same as criticizing the poster. As far as I am concerned, Diana posted some interesting information, and followed it up with some dubious (at best) advice. She was called on it. There is nothing wrong with that.

As far as I know, there are only a couple of people who don't appear to contribute anything more than venom in these groups. Me, I just opt to not respond to them, however tempting that might be. It's much better for my health that way.
Suja
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it's been an interesting six years, but i guess it's time for me to go.

And that's a damned shame.
I'm pretty sure that it's difficult to force you to do anything, so I'm especially sad that you feel that you're being forced to leave.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
If someone else has already corrected this, sorry. But Valium is either a sedative or a tranquilizer, can't remember which. And the benzodiazapams (sp?), of which diazapam, a/k/a Valium, is a member are used as sedative.

It varies by dose. At low doses they are mild sedatives, at medium doses have an anti-anxiety effect, and at high doses they knock you out.

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00376.htm

I'm not sure what the difference is between a tranquilizer and a sedative, if there is any. In the above article Dr. Overall refers to phenothiazines (drugs like Ace) as tranquilizers. When I hear the word "tranquilizer" I think of something you'd load into a dart gun to knock down a rhino. "Sedative" indicates something much more benign to me but that's just my personal distinction.
(As an aside, when Solo went in for the follow-up X-rays after his root canal, they worked it out so that he could be sedated instead of anesthetized so we could avoid both the anesthesia and using Ace as a pre-anesthetic. First he got a Valium cocktail; then they actually did use the stuff they use to tranquilize rhinos or whatever because it can be reversed quickly with an antidote injection. So, they called this "sedation" but whether that means the stuff he got included "sedatives" I don't know exactly.)
Effects will vary by individual, but at therapeutic doses (the ones he gets for very bad thunderstorms or fireworks) Solo does not appear at all sedated on Xanax. Actually, he's a tad bit chipper. The only real difference is that he's not as freaked out as he should be by huge boom noises (Solo doesn't get Xanax for minor boom noises like garden variety thunderstorms or construction noises). However, Valium did seem to have an obvious sedative effect and that's one of the reasons Solo was switched from it it made him stupid and groggy.

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Kavik's holistic vet told me there was no scientific evidence more homeopathic remedies worked with the exception of acupuncture.

Correct me please, but I thought that acupuncture, TCM, et al, belonged to a general family of treatments categorised as ... of homeopathy involves treatment of afflictions with tinctures of highly diluted toxins or, at least, the "mirrors" of toxic molecules.

you are probably correct - I always get that holistic vs homeopathy thing backwards
my vet is holistic and one of the things he does is homeopathy. thats right, isn't it?
my vet is holistic and one of the things he does is homeopathy. thats right, isn't it?

That's the way I read it.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
my vet is holistic and one of the things he does is homeopathy. thats right, isn't it?

Yep. :}
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i cannot imagine what it must be like to be so consumed with hate. you're poisonous.

BWHAHAHHAHAAHAA!!
HTH!!
you've poisoned this newsgroup for years. You're
the most spectacular hypocrite in usenet history
and the most remarkable thing is that you truly
seem to have no idea how your behavior appears to
others. You are mental, beyond even my own wildest speculations.
HTH!!
The only people still in your corner are a receding support group consisting of spineless suckups and
even they are fewer and fading away...
HTH!!
I'll give you credit. You've been the dominant
female for a few years because you have bluffed
and bullied your way to the top with your
extreme hypocritiquing, nagging, nitpicking,
backbiting and harassing. Always keeping
everyone on the defensive so they won't see
how you behave (10x worse in anything that you
accuse other of). Heh. It's amazing you've lasted
this long without the pack turning on
and tearing you apart.
HTH!!
It's only now that any of our "regulars" have the
guts to come forward and dish out to you what you
have been dishing non stop psychotically for years, because nobody is afraid of you anymore. They know you don't know anything about dogs. They know you
only exist to snipe and harass and knife and
claw.
HTH!!
You're insane if you think anyone is going to cry
if you leave. But you're also insane if you think
you can leave because I don't think your OCD will
let you you crazy psychotic basketcase!
Either way, you're insane.
HTH!!
KUCKOOO!!!
HTH!!
CUCKOO!!!
HTH!!
Ding!
Ding!
Ding!
i don't want you in my
life. i'd killfile you, but that hasn't been very effective where Leah and Gwen are concerned, so i doubt it would be a satisfactory solution. i give up.

Aww. Boo Hoo. Poor wittle shelly...you can't believe that people are being a meaniepants to poor wittle innocent ballerina shelly??? Let me guess, you are BOGGLED that anyone would want to be a meaniepants to you???
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!
HTH!!
Your problem is that you've nagged and harassed and attacked the weak for so long, that the weak have
adapted and become strong. Michael only bullies
the bullies and he's glad he no longer has to
bully you if you are true to your word.
Michael will be happy not bullying you in the
future.
it's been an interesting six years, but i guess it's time for me to go. most of you i like very much, and i'll miss you terribly. you've been an invaluable source of wisdom; your impact on my dogs' lives cannot begin to be measured.thankyou.

I just hope I have impacted you enough so that you will measure bigger portions for Hattie and feed her back up to 53 lbs. Hopefully 57 or 58. Elliott too.
Other than that I could really give a crap about you.

You've been a miserable and toxic influence and your departure (which I don't think is going to last due to your severe OCD) will be a blessing to anyone who actually wants to talk about dogs without the psychotic hypocrite grammar gestapo queen of the damned looming.
don't let the door hit you in the fat ***.
Good luck finding another news nexus to poison.
HTH!!!
ding dong the witch is dead!
whippeee!!!

this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com
HTH!!
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