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I've never seen her as a waste of space, but I have to admit that I mark whole threads as ... would be nice to hear more of that and less of the intended low blows about the mental health stuff.

i have no idea what the deal is between her an i either. all i know is that she decided to jump my *** about something stupid one day, and has held a grudge ever since. i have her blocked, but occasionally people quote her so i can see that she's still ranting at me, for whatever reason.

i'd love to see positive, on-topic posts from her, but i have yet to see anything like that.
oh well...
-kelly
Not at all fair, considering that they continue to find biological causes for different disorders.

did you know that now there's evidence that childhood trauma can actually change the biology of the brain? so sometimes it's the abuse that causes the biological causes for mental illness. it's pretty interesting to think about, kind of chicken and the egg.
there's also a link between childhood abuse and Chronic Fatigue/Fibromyalgia.
-kelly
I can't post anything in much depth right now, because I'm in a state of panic and probably not thinking very clearly. :}

I came this close to saying something really sarcastic. But, this is neither the place nor the time, and you haven't done anything to deserve my foul mood.
I don't do prayers, but our well wishes are with you and your critters. I hope Jeanne goes away into the ocean and leaves all of you alone.

Suja
or you could have insurance like mine that doesn't cover anything to do with mental illness. obviously mental illness is not "real" illness. stupid.

Not at all fair, considering that they continue to find biological causes for different disorders.

I don't think the problem is a perception that mental illness isn't real. I think the problem is that mental illness isn't curable with a surgery or round of antibiotics. It can takes months, years, an entire lifetime to "treat" mental illness and includes expensive doctor's visits (at least I think therapists and the like tend to be more expensive per visit than your general practitioner) plus medication without any guarantee of actually curing it.

Tara
there's also a link between childhood abuse and Chronic Fatigue/Fibromyalgia.

Yes, that's what my CFS doctor told me.
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I can't post anything in much depth right now, because I'm in a state of panic and probably not thinking very clearly. :}

I came this close to saying something really sarcastic. But, this is neither the place nor the time, and you haven't done anything to deserve my foul mood.

hello suja,
No shelly for a few days and you are already
feeling the hangover. Now you have to be a big
nasty psychotic meaniepants all by yourself
instead of hiding under shelly's dress while
she does it for you.
It's not as easy to start the feeding frenzy
as it is to sit on the sidelines and cheer.
HTH!!

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includes expensive doctor's visits (at least I think therapists and the like tend to be more expensive per visit than your general practitioner) plus medication without any guarantee of actually curing it.

I think their hourly rate actually tends to be cheaper, but they use the whole hour. Doctors charges for visits are based on the assumption that the doctor himself will spend only minutes with you and then go on to someone else. Also, doctors don't see you once a week for an extended period. So, even though therapists don't get paid as much per hour, they do end up being more expensive to the insurance company. Some companies have mental health benefits because they feel they help their employees to be more productive, but they are generally limited in the number of visits and are among the first things to go when the economy gets tighter.

Paula
"The smell of burning rubber chickens and
singed roller-skating chimps will teach a man to hate." swt
or you could have insurance like mine that doesn't cover anything to do with mental illness. obviously mental illness is not "real" illness. stupid.

hello elegy, aka webmistress of shattering.org,
Let us be your therapy. Don't be afraid to share your mental heelth issues with the group. The most important thing you must know is that you are not alone.
Especially not here.
All your information will be
kept in strict confidence with the tiny, close knit community of people who use the internet, and any
who may use it at any time in the future.
This is why it is important to be very specific
about the drugs/disorders which you may have
direct experience with, because your experience
will heelp others and let them know that they
are not alone.
We look forward to heelping you. Talking about
your mental problems is the first step in
overcoming them.

this is michael
reporting live...
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Show me where I have ever encouraged Mikey to be disrespectful.

Leah, you know as well as I do that Michael thrives on attention. When he is being nothing but disrespectful, ... conversation if you choose to. You lose respect in my eyes by doing that, but that's my problem, not yours.

I have an incredibly offensive coworker, whom is basically venomous and abusive. I have no idea what he has on my boss, that she hasnt' fired him but there must be something. My first method of dealing with him was to ignore him. That didnt' work because he took my silence to his nasty comments about coworkers as agreement. So my next method was to reward the behavior I liked, and to punish the bad behavior. Basically, when he said negative things, I yelled at him to get the hell out of my office and when he behaved nicely i spoke nicely back. He's stopped talking trash in my office and we actually have pleasant conversations.

Clearly, ignoring mikey doesn't change the behavior. We have been trying that for years. I have occasionally tried to engage Mikey in real conversation, and occasionally it works.
Perhaps there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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