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It IS how valium is made.

Not that I know of.
http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/diazepam.html
Suja
It IS how valium is made.

Not that I know of. http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/diazepam.html Suja

Thanks. It really doesn't state that no valerian is in valium. I will consult with my pharmacist.
Gwen
If I were to post something like, "I have been giving Murphy devil's claw for her arthritis, and it seems ... the farm on it, but I'm also sure that most people would want to find out more before taking action.

The first part of what Diana said was like what you posted above. Talking about personal experience. However, where I think the problem gets introduced is in the latter half of her post. Where she says that she thinks it would be extremely useful for dogs with seperation anxiety. That is similar, IMO, to you following up your statement above with a statement how you think that Devil's Claw would be extremely useful to dogs with HD.
If we were to censor our statements to only those that couldn't be misunderstood or misinterpreted, or scientifically proven, we wouldn't have anything to say.

Not saying censor, but at the same time, if you start making claims that go beyond "In my experience" and "So and so has written", then you are inviting people to discuss it.
It is my impression that it is not so much that shelly asked questions of Diana that people are having problems with, but the way (tone) that she asked them. To that, all I have to say is "meh". Different personalities phrase questions and comments different ways.
When newcomers enter rpdb and start interacting with JH, we point out to them the convention of tagging the subject line so that those that want to filter those conversations can. Otherwise, they are told, they may find their way into some people's kill files. How is that different from expecting people, when posting medical information, doing searches on Google or WebMD or whatever sources you know to look for potential side effects. I will admit that searching on Google is an art, use the wrong key words and your search is useless. All shelly did is point out the search that she used to get side-effect information.

This is rapidly turning into a tempest in a teapot scenario that is being colored, IMO, by prior interactions between regulars in here.

Marcel and Moogli
Thanks. It really doesn't state that no valerian is in valium. I will consult with my pharmacist.

Well, we do have a chemist in our midst, don't we?

Suja
Thanks. It really doesn't state that no valerian is in valium. I will consult with my pharmacist.

Well, we do have a chemist in our midst, don't we?

Well, it is completely out of my field, but here is what I found about the link between valium and valerian.
There is no link. It is complete coincidence.
According to the following website:
http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/medi-2-1-valeriana.html#valium

Valerian is a scientific Latin name. Valium is a trade name which is designed to be catchy. According to the website (which I am not entirely sure I can trust because of the other info on Valerian) Valium was named because it is similar sounding to Librium, which was a popular tranquilizer at the time.
I am looking to see if I can find any info on it, but have yet to be successful.

Marcel and Moogli
sure I can trust because of the other info on Valerian) Valium was named because it is similar sounding to Librium, which was a popular tranquilizer at the time.

Well, Librium was the first Benzodiazepine to be synthesized, and Valium came shortly thereafter. So, that part might be true.

Suja
Very true, except that even most vets don't know a ... it's up to the dog's owner to research the product.

I have never seen a holistic vet (although I have read about them inhere), so don't take this question as snarky, but rather seriously. When holistic vets recommend a herbal mixture, what do they base their recommendations on??

Kavik's vet is both traditional and holistic - he bases his holistic recommendations on chinese medicine for people.
I have never seen a holistic vet (although I have ... a herbal mixture, what do they base their recommendations on??

The only holistic vet to which I've taken a dog had a background in allopathy. She balanced her TCM (traditional ... account. What impressed me most was her understanding that I had absolutely no faith in homeopathy and worked around that.

Kavik's holistic vet told me there was no scientific evidence more homeopathic remedies worked with the exception of acupuncture. I went to see him in order to work on Kavik's leaking problem because he cant' be a therapy dog if he leaks - figuring "what the hell". When I told him I didn't really beleive in homeopathy he said that I was smart because there was no scientific evidence that it worked.
Very true, except that even most vets don't know a ... it's up to the dog's owner to research the product.

Off on a tangent, but this one appears to be coming up more and more frequently. Has anyone here had vets recommend a late night snack for dogs with empty tummy Urka-Gurkas?

yup. 2 vets did.
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