Cin, my 14 mth old weimaraner cut her foot very badly Thursday b4 last whilst running across a freshly ploughed field. - flint is a big problem around here and she had a nigh on 2'' slice hanging off from her pad and into her leg, which of course meant urgent veterinary treatment.

She was anaesthetised, stitched and sent home with anti biotics and instructions not to be walked until further notice.

If any of you know what its like to live with an exceedingly high drive dog that's not allowed walks??? She's not ill or in any particular pain, just must keep all stress & weight off her foot. She's back to the vets on Tuesday and hopefully then she will be able to loose the bandaging, 12 days after her accident.
Worried about how we would cope (her without her 2 hour run and us with a peeved off weim wanting a 2 hour run, I sought a little advice on the best herbal treatments that would be gentle enuff to not hurt her but might have enuff effect to calm her.
We discovered valerian root capsules - natures sleeping pill - for humans the rec. dosage takes into account the fact that people might want to drive or operate machinery - for dogs, without any side effects or chemical toxicity, you can calm your dog. I searched and search and founds nothing to say it was in anyway unsafe to use except for it makes you sleepy. Ideal for a high octane dog who's not allowed to run.
Now, morally, I figure there are implications and some might read this and think they can knock their dog out and escape walkies - I hope to think not though. I've posted this cos it really has been a bit of a wonder-discover under cin's circumstance and on realising this, I would maybe keep some in stock for difficult times - eg, I get caught in a position whereby untypically, I had to leave her for more than a couple of hours. I can also see it as being especially useful in circumstances of a dog suffering S/A or getting used to anew routine -eg. getting a dog used to being left at a time when it hasn't been b4.
Hope this is useful -
Diana

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We discovered valerian root capsules - natures sleeping pill - for humans the rec. dosage takes into account the fact that people might want to drive or operate machinery - for dogs, without any side effects or chemical toxicity, you can calm your dog.

oh my. first of all, valerian is a chemical. it most certainly does have a toxicity level. symptoms of overdose in humans may include weak heartbeat, light-headedness, blurred vision, stomach cramping, chest tightness, hand tremor, and paralysis.

secondly, i don't believe for a minute that it has no side effects in dogs. in humans, it can cause headache, dizziness, nausea, and, more importantly, it can affect cardiac rhythms.
I searched and search and founds nothing to say it was in anyway unsafe to use except for it makes you sleepy. Ideal for a high octane dog who's not allowed to run.

apparently, you didn't search very thoroughly. i found the above info in the first Google hit when searching for valerian + "side effects". if it were me, i wouldn't be comfortable giving it to my dogs.

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Hope this is useful -

It certainly is to me! I'm very open to alternative health methods, and I used to study and sell herbal remedies. I've often wondered if valerian root and/or skullcap could be used for dogs with SA or other issues like storm phobia.

As for your dog's paw... ohmigosh, a 14 month old weim - I can't imagine! :} I got an idea I'll admit I haven't thought through yet, but I'll throw it out anyway - put that leg in a sling so she can walk around 3-legged. Not all the time, because I imagine it would put too much stress on muscles not used to holding her up that way. But maybe for a short walk.

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Cin, my 14 mth old weimaraner cut her foot very badly Thursday b4 last whilst running across a freshly ploughed ... a dog used to being left at a time when it hasn't been b4. Hope this is useful - Diana

I'm curious to know - did it work on her? I've taken it for years, and it works wonders for insomnia, and gives me wild technicolor dreams. No hangover in the morning, either.
Sorry about Cindy's paw:((
I wanted to buy Rescue Remedy for my cat Kim from the petshop but they only had valerian liquid by Dorwest. It cost 8 quid.I put some drops onto her bedding , phew its a bit stinky , a yeasty smell! Alison
Cin, my 14 mth old weimaraner cut her foot very badly Thursday b4last whilst running across a freshly ploughed field. ... off her foot. She's back to the vetson Tuesday and hopefully then she will be able to loose the bandaging,

12 days
Thanks Emotion: big smile
Hopefully her bandage comes off tomorrow - we're both getting fat! Luckily, she's not a greedy dog though (by all accounts v. untypical for a weim who generally seem to be almost as food orientated as Labs), so she's not in as bad shape as me after 11 days of limited exercise.

£8??? - I bought mine from the health food shop, Holland & Barratt, 100 capsules for £2.50 (ok, 1/2 price offer)... as for its safety, this site raised some concerns, then as you read further, it explains more thoroughly, and obviously I have also discussed its use with my vet who was very keen on the idea. As I said in my original post, imo it would be immoral to use such a drug for long term convenience, but for short term in the dogs best interest, I have found it invaluable used along side 'mental exercise games' that we've been playing with the clicker.
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/herbal/msg0720395211446.html

Diana

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as for its safety, this site raised some concerns, then as you read further, it explains more thoroughly, and obviously I have also discussed its use with my vet who was very keen on the idea.

in your original post, you said nothing about discussing valerian with your vet. you claimed it had no toxicity and no side effects in dogs how do you know that? you recommended its use for dogs with SA. you have no idea how it will effect dogs with SA, so i can't imagine why you thought it would be a good idea to suggest that others use it for that purpose.
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/herbal/msg0720395211446.html

it's a web forum. what are the credentials of the folks who are offering information there?

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Hope this is useful -

It certainly is to me! I'm very open to alternative health methods, and Iused to study and sell herbal remedies. I've often wondered if valerian rootand/or skullcap could be used for dogs with SA or other issues like storm phobia.

Dorwest herbs (UK pet herbalist web site) do a skullcap and valerian root tablet for such situations, but I wasn't given a lot of time to plan in advance.!
As for your dog's paw... ohmigosh, a 14 month old weim - I can't imagine!}

She's been very good actually. I am proud of her (saying that, she's nagging me to hurry up Emotion: smile)
When I suggested S/A - I was really thinking more for dogs that might be inclined to suffer after a change in routine, eg, In the UK, the schools have not long restarted for the Autumn term and going by some again.
Diana
When I suggested S/A - I was really thinking more for dogs that might be inclined to suffer after a change in routine, eg,

do you know that valerian does not exacerbate or cause anxiety in dogs? unless you know that, then suggesting its use for treating anxiety is reckless. i'm asking because i have strange reactions to drugs that are supposed to have sedative properties. most of them make me hyper, anxious, and actually keep me from sleeping. i don't think "bouncing off the walls" is what one would want in a dog with SA.
In the UK, the schools have not long restarted for the Autumn term and going by some again.

i can't parse that sentence.

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