I'm building an aviary about 12' x 4' by 6' high (~ 300 cu ft) and was wondering if I could put 3 pairs each of budgies, zebra finches and canaries all together. Will the canaries sing (likelihood), and should I separate breeding boxes? I'm not too fussed if the canaries don't breed, but I would like the budgies and Zebs to breed if only for the thrill of seeing what colours you get, but also for the interest of my young grandaughter.
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I'm building an aviary about 12' x 4' by 6' high (~ 300 cu ft) and was wondering if I ... if only for the thrill of seeing what colours you get, but also for the interest of my young grandaughter.

My understanding is that canaries only sing, if there is a single male present. More than one, and they fight. If there is a female, then no need to sing to attract one.
That said, I had a single male canary that did well in a mixed aviary for me, and would stand up for himself against a larger roller (small dove/pigeon that somersaults when it flys).
I'm building an aviary about 12' x 4' by 6' ... get, but also for the interest of my young grandaughter.

My understanding is that canaries only sing, if there is a single male present. More than one, and they fight. If there is a female, then no need to sing to attract one.

Not at all. In my mixed aviary I have several males and females. Luckily it is large enough for them to avoid conflict and they do indeed sing. Singing is also about proclaiming territory so one male might start at one end of the aviary and another at the other end will also start to sing.
My understanding is that canaries only sing, if there is ... a female, then no need to sing to attract one.

Not at all. In my mixed aviary I have several males and females. Luckily it is large enough for them ... male might start at one end of the aviary and another at the other end will also start to sing.

Thanks for the advice, is it Hamm?
Would my proposed aviary be big enough to have a couple of male canaries sing? (12' wide) I take it the females don't sing, so I might just have a couple of male canaries and no females as they are apparently difficult to breed.
Is there a way to minimise the interaction between the buggies and zebs without a physical barrier? Do budgies prefer wooden boxes to nest in and zebs whicker globes?
Is there an faq or similar list of sites somewhere that shows say all the different finches? As a kid I used to be familiar with zebras, double bars, reddies, firefinches, gouldians, cutthroats and a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head.

I used to be fascinated with breeding cobalt budgies, not that I ever did, but as a small child with a tea-chest with birdwire over the front and a pair of budgies in it, I was enthralled with a special little book I had with a magnificent picture of a cobalt budgie. Then we moved to the other side of the country :-(
Finally :-) is there a best wire netting? As a kid, all we had was the hexagonal bird netting, but today the favourite here seems to be square galvanised weld mesh. What are the pros and cons?
Thanks for the advice, is it Hamm? Would my proposed aviary be big enough to have a couple of male ... bird netting, but today the favourite here seems to be square galvanised weld mesh. What are the pros and cons?

Proper aviary wire is best. It lasts longer, looks ice and dos'nt go baggy. They is less 'give' in it and you can buy small enough mesh to exclude predators like rats.
What sort of base are you going to have ?
If you were in the UK I could advise as to the best place to buy aviary wire. Certainly it will likely be cheaper than nasty chicken wire.
Thanks for the advice, is it Hamm? Would my proposed ... interaction between the buggies and zebs without a physical barrier?

Not really. Budgies are bloody spiteful.

Yeah, I seem to recall catching a tame pair of mountain lories and putting them in a big cage with three budgies. All hell broke loose with imminent amputations on the go. All I could do was let the buggers go, only to have the owner turn up half an hour later to abuse me for not hanging on to them. Tame they mght have been, but they certainly gave my fingers a good chew!
But then I caught a port lincoln parrot with "beak and feather" that we called Stumpy. He seemed to coexist with the budgies for many years until he died of old age, I assumed.
Do budgies prefer wooden boxes to nest in and zebs whicker globes?

Yes.

Thanks. I just wondered if you put both types in an aviary if the respective birds will use the most suitable nests. Or just grab whatever.
Is there an faq or similar list of sites somewhere ... that I can't remember off the top of my head.

There are plenty of finch websites. Try a google search. I would be better able to answer your questions if I knew where in the world you were and what was relevant to you.

Western Australia, sorry. The finches I mentioned were native Australians I thought, but I'm sure they are world-wide now. I've been searching and searching for good sites, but haven't really found what I want. Just that on some groups, the folks have put together some good websites instead of an FAQ, but no matter. I'll find something eventually.
I used to be fascinated with breeding cobalt budgies, not ... square galvanised weld mesh. What are the pros and cons?

Proper aviary wire is best. It lasts longer, looks ice and dos'nt go baggy. They is less 'give' in it ... advise as to the best place to buy aviary wire. Certainly it will likely be cheaper than nasty chicken wire.

Thanks for that. Is the aviary wire square or rectangular and welded? The birdwire I know is like small chicken wire, and somehow I think it looks better, but that is probably just nostalgia talking. It does go baggy quite easily. But then I haven't seen it about much these days.

I'm going to use a brick paving floor with a heavy wooden frame and maybe something up the wire a foot or so for rodent prevention.
Yeah, I seem to recall catching a tame pair of mountain lories and putting them in a big cage with ... have a go inside a budgie box, there is a good chance a female budgie will kill or mutilate it.

There are plenty of finch websites. Try a google search. ... in the world you were andwhat was relevant to you.

Western Australia, sorry. The finches I mentioned were native Australians I thought, but I'm sure they are world-wide now.We have ... I think it looks better, but that is probably just nostalgia talking.Naah. It looks cheap and nasty and amateurish :0)

Really for the species you are looking at get some 19 gauge inch by half inch weldmesh. Once you have all the panels built and put to gether, paint the wire outside with black paint. It makes the wire 'disappear' and you can see the birds better.
It does go baggy quite easily. But then I haven't seen it about much these days.It is mainly used for ... paving floor with a heavy wooden frame and maybe something up the wire a foot or so for rodent prevention.

Good idea.
Yeah, I seem to recall catching a tame pair of ... later to abuse me for not hanging on to them.

I'm afraid I would have given abuse too. You had a duty to the tame birds to care for them once you had captured them, until the owner claimed them or you found them a new home.

Why precisely? They joined the huge flock of local interlopers (to this state they are not native), and I am sure they lived happily ever after. Pray tell what I was supposed to do? Hang on to them for a week or so while they mangled my fingers? I wasn't all that sure that they were that tame. Perhaps some locals were feeding this introduced pest. I caught them by hosing them out of a bush with the hosepipe I was watering with. They lobbed in the fish pond and I scooped them out with a net.
Tame they mght have been, but they certainly gave my fingers a good chew!

If I was to let fly all the parrots which chewed me here, I would have hardly any birds. My ... from my hand being in contact with the wire of an aviary because I was not minding what I did.

So how long do you hang on to them for?
Five minutes was enough for me thanks.
I really wanted to keep them, but my budgies were intent on a blood bath I did my best. Sorry.
But then I caught a port lincoln parrot with "beak ... many years until he died of old age, I assumed.

PBFD is nasty.

Yeah, old Stumps seemed much happier in my cage than getting picked on every five minutes from his charming flock members. He was not a pretty sight, but what a personality! :-)
There was a fool here once who said that if you want to get rid of a crow or raven, just catch it, paint it white, and release it. The flock will do the rest. There are some charming humans on this planet. I know many folks hate crows (ravens) for some reason, but they are my
30 year old daughter's favourite bird, and thus they are mine :-)
Thanks. I just wondered if you put both types in ... will use the most suitable nests. Or just grab whatever.

If you provide nest boxes, budgies will use them. They will also pull apart any of the wicker finch nests. ... have a go inside a budgie box, there is a good chance a female budgie will kill or mutilate it.

Thanks, most helpful
better what

Thanks, some good sites there. Being an Australian, I neglected to try "Australian finches" in Google. I tried just about everything else. Thanks for the heads up!

Great, thanks for that tip. What sort of paint is popular? I believe that acrylic hangs on to galvanising after a bit of weathering, or a wash down with solvent to get the grease off it.
Any bird requirements needing to be considered?
Are some paints toxic to them?
It does go baggy quite easily. But then I haven't seen it about much these days.

It is mainly used for poultry, rabbits and agricultural type uses.

Yep, we used to get a square of it and staple it to the front of those plywood tea-chests. Nostalgia! Ahh. :-)
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