that was awful!!! Cesar is so dynamic and tackles big problems. This guy spent a month with a Cavalier, teaching the basics in a very loud manner. Such a challenge! National Geographic channel doesn't have anything to worry about if this is the Animal Planet reponse! Yuck!
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Ya beat me to it. I was going to start a thread inquiring as to various opinions of the show. I don't have such harsh criticism as you did. I just think it is so very basic. I suppose a brand new, first time dog owner may gather something from it. I am by no means a professional trainer but I seldom come away from a show about dogs without picking up something. In this case I am afraid I learned nothing new.
The people that bash Cesar's clients ought to have a field day with the Monk's client. They wanted the dog to walk instead of being pushed in a stroller..I can't wait till next week:)
How about the following show? "It's me or the Dog"? I think Victoria had a few basic good ideas, once again for the novice.
Be Free..Judy
Ya beat me to it. I was going to start a thread inquiring as to various opinions of the show. I don't have such harsh criticism as you did. I just think it is so very basic.

I saw snippets of it and what I saw I rather liked. The discussion of leadership and how to establish it seemed more nuanced than Millan, and that's a good thing. Cesar's more charismatic, but whatever. It should be about the dogs.
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Ya beat me to it. I was going to start a thread inquiring as to various opinions of the show. ... me or the Dog"? I think Victoria had a few basic good ideas, once again for the novice. Be Free..Judy[/nq]In short: They're both far more relevant to the average person with the average "bad dog" that just needs some training and leadership, than the more charismatic, more dramatic, Cesar Millan, who's solving "this dog is seriously dangerous to others, itself, or both" types of problems. Don't get me wrong, I love Cesar's show, but my sweet little Chinese Crested, a year old and completely uneducated because her previous owner had no interested in her, does not have Cesar Millan- type problems.

She's incredibly eager to please; I just need to teach her how to understand what it is I want her to do. I mean, seriously, like Stella the Cavalier last night, she literally did not know what "sit", "come", "stay", or "down" meant when she arrived. We've mastered "sit" and "come", and loose-leash walking, but we really are working at a very, very basic level of just establishing communication between us. TRAINING, that thing that Cesar Millan frequently reminds us he DOESN'T DO.
Lis
...I mean, seriously, like Stella the Cavalier last night, she literally did not know what "sit", "come", "stay", or "down" meant when she arrived.

Far too many people expect their dogs to understand what they haven't been taught, to "know" without being educated, to be a "good dog" without being trained. Get puppy, add food, and WAH-LAH! somehow that puppy magically trains itself, housebreaks itself, socializes itself.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
We've mastered "sit" and "come", and loose-leash walking,

That's huge! It took about a year for Duke to unwind enough from his unresponsive condition that "real" training was possible, where he became an active participant in the process. Until then, I just fed him, asked only the simplest of "survival" obedience stuff (wait to be fed, don't knock over humans, do NOT lift your leg on the sofa), and wondered if he was brain-damaged. Once he discovered that humans could be manipulated (humans drop F-U-D when dogs do dumb stuff like sit), and that humans have access to cool, fun stuff, there's been no stopping him.
but we really are working at a very, very basic level of just establishing communication between us.

But without that basic communication, it's just management.
Far too many people expect their dogs to understand what they haven't been taught

Far too many people like me, this morning. Sometimes when I get frustrated with Queenie I suddenly decide she "should" know something or worse, that she should LEARN SOMETHING RIGHT THAT VERY MOMENT, which does not make for a good teaching session.
This morning she dashed out the door (not allowed) then fell for it when I opened the car door (good dog) and then I hit my head on the car door when trying to get her out of the car and back into the house. I wept for a while it really hurt! Then I attempted to leave the house again, Queenie again attempting to slip out, which made me really mad so I decided she needed to down-stay while I left. Well, she only knows down-stay for dinner, and she does not generalize well. She sat, and went down, and stayed until I opened the door. I decided to insist.

Well, you can see that this was just a nightmare for all involved and if my sofa is shredded when I get home, I will only be able to say that I completely deserve it. Stressing everyone out while leaving the house = not a great idea. Multiple teaching sessions that are fun and stress-free = much better idea with actual possibility of succeeding.

Argh. Can someone please offer me absolution? Or a funny story?

Thanks.

Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Max the pomeranian
& Rosalie the calico cat
...I mean, seriously, like Stella the Cavalier last night, she literally did not know what "sit", "come", "stay", or "down" meant when she arrived.

Far too many people expect their dogs to understand what they haven't been taught, to "know" without being educated, to ... WAH-LAH! somehow that puppy magically trains itself, housebreaks itself, socializes itself. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Too true. Stella's people last night they loved her, but they thought she was "disobedient", "ignoring them", etc. And yet it was perfectly clear that in fact she was doing exactly what they'd taught her to do, and that she had no idea what they were talking about when they said "sit" or "down", because they'd never taught her.
We've mastered "sit" and "come", and loose-leash walking,

That's huge!

It is! She really is very bright, and very eager to please which makes me all the more annoyed with her previous owner, who obviously didn't bother to spend any time at all on her. (Except, I must admit, to give her absolutely rock-solid housetraining. She had a couple of accidents when she first arrived, but in this nor'easter that's not quite past us yet, we had thrity-six hours in which conditions were just too horrible for her to stay out long enough to do her business so she held it, until we had a break in the weather. Good dog!:))
It took about a year for Duke to unwind enough from his unresponsive condition that "real" training was possible, where ... dogs do dumb stuff like sit), and that humans have access to cool, fun stuff, there's been no stopping him.

Smart dog.Emotion: smile
but we really are working at a very, very basic level of just establishing communication between us.

But without that basic communication, it's just management.

Oh, yes. And I want a relationship with Addy, not just problem- avoidance.
Lis
Melinda said Millan is more charismatic when comparing the new Tv show on AP with the Monk's dog trainer. I agree. Honestly a rock would have been more charismatic IMO. However, I watched the show and did not try to compare it to Cesar. I watched it as a dog owner trying to learn something about dog training. I did not.
On the other hand, I think the plan is to appeal to the masses. That is what TV does. I suppose there are more folks out there with a new dog that have done nothing to get help than there are people like most of us who in varying degrees have taken classes, read books. and upwards of that.
He trained that dog exactly as my first (and best) obedience dog trainer taught me and my dog decades ago. I had to laugh when he said "praise your dogs in a higher tone of voice". That is what she used to say.
I hope new dog owner's or owner's that do not intend to do anything but watch TV got something out of the show. It is not that I thought he imparted wrong information it is just that it was like the puppy class in obedience for me. Not bad just not of interest to me.
Be Free..Judy
Catherine,
I am so sorry about your bump on the head but I did get a laugh out of your pain:( I am sorry...
I am guilty of doing the same thing you did. My dogs know the rules. I am the one to blame around here. Sometimes I lay down the law and then when I don't I have to resort to starting the truck to retrieve the maverick that just went for a jog.
Does this ease your pain? I once had a St Bernard named Spencer. I also had an overstuffed arm chair that sat low to the ground on 4 wooden legs. I came home from a long night of work, plopped down in the chair and was amazed how deeply I seemed to sink in. Spencer had gnawed all 4 legs off leaving the chair flat on the floor.
Ooh was I mad..
I hope your head is better.
Be Free..Judy
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