I have spoken with my border patrol contact and he said he was not interested in shipping a 3 year old dog to Texas to test as a candidate for Border patrol, even if he WAS tracking, and trained. The maximum age they will consider TRAINED candidates is age two. We don't know Muttley's age. We don't know if he's sound (IE hips) Considering he's a mutt, he has no chance of being placed in a pet home here.
AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HIM
I also don't want to invest months into him only to put him down. I see no point in rehabbing him here, if he has no future.
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I have spoken with my border patrol contact and he said he was not interested in shipping a 3 year ... into him only to put him down. I see no point in rehabbing him here, if he has no future.

A fully trained mutt couldn't be placed in a pet home? Seriously? Wow.

How about if you do what you were going to, and then it can be up to Paul to find him a new home at the end of the three months?

I actually thought that was how it was going to work anyway. I must not have been reading the details very closely.
Tara
We don't know if he's sound (IE hips) Considering he's a mutt, he has no chance of being placed in a pet home here.

It's obviously your prerogative to choose whether or not you want to work with a dog, but I have to call BS on the soundness of his hips and the fact that he's a mutt. Dogs with bad hips get adopted all the time, as do mutts. Of far greater importance is whether or not his temperament is sound enough.
AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HIM

I don't think anyone expects you to.
I also don't want to invest months into him only to put him down. I see no point in rehabbing him here, if he has no future.

Putting him down after months of work was always a not improbable outcome.

Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
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I have spoken with my border patrol contact and he said he was not interested in shipping a 3 year ... into him only to put him down. I see no point in rehabbing him here, if he has no future.

OK. At least you seem to be honest about this. For whatever reason, I would not want you to feel he was going to be an additional burden, and unwelcome in your home. I did not know you were serious about him being used for border patrol. Maybe that would not be a good idea, because he loves Mexican food. Maybe they can post a picture of him, along with his scariest descriptions, with the words "Cuidad hombres! This dog might be on patrol!"

Well, you gave me some hope, at least, and Muttley has enjoyed his stay of execution. There are still one or two more options I plan to pursue before ending his life. Maybe once I post my "RIP Muttley", some of this ridiculous nastiness on the ng might go away, and be replaced by more helpful questions and suggestions.
Thanks,
Paul and Muttley
I have spoken with my border patrol contact and he said he was not interested in shipping a 3 year ... into him only to put him down. I see no point in rehabbing him here, if he has no future.

I thought Paul was talking about keeping him now because he will miss his buddy. Why not rehab him for Paul to keep as a trained pet instead of an untrained pet? Border Patrol couldn't have been such a sure thing that it was the only plan in taking him in, could it?

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but a couple of thoughts. If you rehab Muttley using NILIF, do you have concerns that if he goes back to Paul he will backslide, if the protocol isn't completely understood and followed? Most Board and Train facilities (an option I'm not terribly fond of because while the dogs need to learn, the humans also need to be part of the process) at least offer lessons and follow up when the dog returns to the home. Rehabilitating a dog is often as much a matter of providing good leadership and clear communication as it is of fixing the dog's behavior .

The dog needs to seriously understand that he doesn't have to make his own decisions. That there is a human he can trust to handle things and direct him. If Diddy is able to provide that structure for Muttley, but Paul gets no training and is no more able to do that than he currently is, what happens? I don't know Diddy and her(?) training methods. If she's a traditional trainer and is able to convince Muttley that unacceptable behavior will be punished, what happens when he "tests" Paul? This is a reason I'll work with a whole lot more serious behavior problems in a dog who has a committed owner, willing to do the work than I will with a dog who is looking for rehoming.

You're not just fixing a dog, you're fixing a relationship. And much of the behavior of the dog is based on the type of feedback he receives from his human. So you're also fixing an owner. If you can't count on or predict the human element, you can't count on the training to "stick." The dog will always be who he is. Good training, management and leadership can really influence how a dog deals with situations in his life. If you can make the dog understand that he is safe, can teach him things to keep him from having to get overstimulated, you can have a pretty safe dog.

But just like humans, some dogs are more willing to solve things physically, some dogs are simply more reactive to their environment than others. Training is a veneer you put over that immutable, basic dog. If the training is allowed to slip, if the dog is allowed to rehearse unacceptable behavior, what you have left, more or less, is that basic dog and his hard wired pathways for dealing with his world. Just my experience. Sandy in OK
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but a couple of thoughts. If you rehab Muttley using NILIF, do you have concerns that if he goes back to Paul he will backslide, if the protocol isn't completely understood and followed?

All those points are made moot by Paul's latest exploits with the kindly, new "behaviorist" who practices "PR" by making a "very quick, sharp correction on the leash (with his prong collar in place)."

This ordeal would make for a great sit-com, if a dog's life wasn't at stake.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but a couple of thoughts.

I believe the parade in question has been cancelled.
If Diddy is able to provide that structure for Muttley, but Paul gets no training and is no more able to do that than he currently is, what happens?

That has been pointed out to both Diddy and Paul.
This is a reason I'll work with a whole lot more serious behavior problems in a dog who has a committed owner, willing to do the work than I will with a dog who is looking for rehoming.

That's the $64k question. Paul has, from day one, been unable or unwilling to commit to Muttley. He has frequently remarked about not having the time, energy, money, etc. to deal with him. I get the impression Paul would rather Muttley's problems be solved by divine intervention than him having to actually take an active, responsible role in the process.

Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
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I get the impression Paul would rather Muttley's problems be solved by divine intervention than him having to actually take an active, responsible role in the process.

When Muttley bites again (I feel confident in saying that it will happen again) if the animal control guy is called Jesus or gal is called Mary, that's almost divine intervention...

Marcel and Moogli
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