my brother and his family have a dog named Wiley. he's supposedly 1/4 Dane, 1/4 Mastiff, and 1/2 Lab. i'm not sure i see the Mastiff, but there's definitely some Dane in there. he's adorable, friendly, goofy, and extremely devoted to my niece and nephew.

my brother wants to get rid of the dog. Wiley wants to live inside with the family, but with two kids, a small house, and a large, energetic, one year old dog, my brother would prefer that Wiley live outside most of the time. my bro says the dog wants to be with the family all the time, and won't go outside when the family doesn't want to play. so he's looking for a new home for Wiley.

we're considering taking Wiley in. he's young, submissive, neutered, very dog friendly, and has played well with my dogs in the past. i'm confident he'll fit in well with my dogs, as far as energy level and play style, and i'm pretty sure he'll accept his place at the bottom of the pack.

i know every time i talk about considering a third dog, everyone jumps in to tell me it's a bad idea... but i'd really hate to see Wiley in a shelter. he's a needy, people oriented dog, and i'd really enjoy having him in my household.
is it really such a bad idea? my dogs have figured out their places in the household, they no longer fight or scuffle, they're calming down and learning to be "adults". it seems like it wouldn't be a bad time to add a dog to the group. my fiancé and i work different hours, so the dogs are only alone for 4 hours a day max. we have a huge (1.5 acre) yard, they have plenty of room to run and play, and of course live inside the house. i really want to do this, even knowing that i'll be putting off my dream of having a show dog for 10 years or so.
sigh i feel like i already know what will be suggested, but i just love this dog so much, i can't stand to see him in a lesser environment than my home.
-kelly
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is it really such a bad idea?

I really don't know, although I'd have some concerns about your yard situation (which isn't physically fenced yet, right?) and about some of the scuffling you've already experienced. I've found that 3 dogs is when they really start to act like a pack.

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is it really such a bad idea?

I really don't know, although I'd have some concerns about your yard situation (which isn't physically fenced yet, right?) and about some of the scuffling you've already experienced. I've found that 3 dogs is when they really start to act like a pack.

so how long do they have to go without a scuffle for it to be ok? i've been reading about lots of posters' dogs fighting lately, including yours. that's the thing i guess i don't get. do i have to wait until they're old and blind or dead before it's ok to add a third dog?

yeah, we still have the invisible fence. i don't know why it would be any less good for a third dog than for my current two (yeah, i know it isn't the perfect solution, but it works for my purposes). especially since they're only out when i can supervise. this dog is pretty sensitive to correction, so i don't see him breaking the fence.
i guess i pretty much have my mind made up, i just have doubts based on what has been said here. so if it seems like i'm trying to rationalize my idea, well, i guess i am. :-) i'm also trying to remember what everyone has said about why i shouldn't.
thanks for the input.
-kelly
so how long do they have to go without a scuffle for it to be ok?

I don't think that's how I think about it. For me, the question is "What's going on here?" In the situation with Saber, when it became clear we had a serious problem I tried to rehome him. No room at the inn - any inn. Siberian rescues tend to be terribly overloaded. So, lacking other options we worked it through. It was also clear that in Saber's case there was a very serious socialization problem, not that he was temperamentally an aggressive dog.

You're the only one who can evaluate your own situation, but I do think you need to be pretty hard-headed in thinking about whether or not to add another dog.

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IMO this sounds like a really good situation for you and for Wiley and your other dogs. Dogs do learn to get along and be good buddies in this situation since all the dogs know how much you care for them. Lucky dog, Wiley. Best of luck to you. Gen
sigh i feel like i already know what will be ... to see him in a lesser environment than my home.

It's a really hard situation. 2 dogs are buddies, 3 a pack. Some packs do really well. I've loved having some combos of 3 - but, I also don't have dog fights. Ever. It's not an idea that's even entertained. And, I don't have pitbulls, and yes, that DOES make a difference, plain and simple.
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IMO this sounds like a really good situation for you and for Wiley and your other dogs. Dogs do learn ... since all the dogs know how much you care for them. Lucky dog, Wiley. Best of luck to you. Gen

Gen, do you know anything about Kelly? About her dogs? About her personal situation?
I can think of a few dozen reasons why this might not be the best situation for Wiley, or for Kelly, or even for Kelly's 2 dogs.

No, dogs "don't always get along and be good buddies" in situations like Kelly's, unfortunately.
But Kelly, being Kelly, has already made up her mind, so both of us (you and me) are basically whistlin' Dixie here anyway.

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do i have to wait until they're old and blind or dead before it's ok to add a third dog?

it may not ever be okay to add a third dog. i'm not saying that's the case, but i wouldn't assume that a third dog is always possible. i know that in my case, it isn't.

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so how long do they have to go without a scuffle for it to be ok?

I don't think that's how I think about it. For me, the question is "What's going on here?" In the ... clear that in Saber's case there was a very serious socialization problem, not that he was temperamentally an aggressive dog.

Same here, with Mukluk; it was either here or nowhere. He's not really aggressive, but he's pretty dominant and somewhat of a bully. He has to be separated from my alpha Greyhound, and if not they'll fight; the rest of the males more or less submit to him, or politely ignore him. It's not an ideal situation. It's liveable, because it has to be. But I wouldn't knowingly get into a situation that might turn out like this again.
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