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I've been working with a pet psychic

Is that you, Mikey? Emotion: smile

Handsome Jack Morrison
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Has she or hasn't she? If you can't answer that, it's not a goodsign.

she has a lil bit, like if she was stepped on, but not because she was gettting attention

"like if she was stepped on"? Did she bit or not? If so, what was the context. What you've written here is incredibly vague and even sounds hypothetical.
Training is an amazing thing. Have you done ANY?

did with my last dog, and it did wonders. Although I couldn't get his dominance under control. He is now in a more active family.

So what you did with your last dog both did wonders and didn't work? I'm assuming it didn't work since you ultimately didn't get him under control enough to keep him. And I have no idea what you mean by "get his dominance under control". Almost every single layperson I've ever come across has no actual idea what that means, and so they use it as a general term to describe other behvioral problems that aren't being addressed.
With current dog, I've tried a lil bit. But she seems like she could care less. She's VERY stubborn. I'll have to try harder. I was trying to use the N.I.L.F. program.

Again, I* know what that means, but I don't know what *you mean by that.
Ok, you don't really KNOW what went on in her ... abuse, but pretty often, that was just not the case.

Ok I don't really know for sure, but even the evaluator behaviourist could tell that she was.

I seriously doubt that. Most well trained behaviorists wouldn't even bother making an assessment like that.Was this an actual certified Behaviorist, or was this a dog trainer who uses a behavioral approach. While ther is often overlap between those two things, there is just as often a canyon between them. The thing is, there is a standard of education for a certified Behaviorist, so you mostly know what you're getting. When it comes to dog trainers who take a Behavioral approach (which is the camp I'm in), there is *no* process to determine someone's abilities in that area.

I've seen people who call themselves "Behaviorists" who have no business even holding* a lead, let alone teaching others how to work with their dogs. So, without knowing what you mean by "behaviorist", its hard to know whether or not they're really actually good at reading dogs. I don't know many responsible ones that would make a determination like "abuse" from so little clues. And, snapping is actually often *not an indicator of abuse, since snapping or biting of any kind, in truly abusive situations, guarantees a dog a major beating.

Even cowering is often a genetic fear based issue, so relating it to "abuse" is almost impossible to do.
What does she do and why are you picking her up?

pick her up to give her bath, put in car ect. She gets low to ground, pees, yelps like I'm hurting her, tries to nip. I've taken her to vet had her x rayed and she's fine. Had urinalisis and is good there too.

She sounds really scared. What did your behaviorist tell you to do to help her work through that?
Tara
she has a lil bit, like if she was stepped on, but not because she was gettting attention

Why is she getting stepped on?I was sitting at chair, dog was really close to me, child came up trying ... clearly aren't aware of training techniques that are successful. NILIF is wonderful, but is only a small part of TRAINING.[/nq]I was struggling with depression badly, he needed more attention and excercise than I could give him, and I felt selfish for keeping him and making him unhappy because he didn't get the excercise he needed. He was full blooded aussie, my first dog and I didn't know much of training. He came a looong way with his training, I just couldnt stay on top of his dominance.

Yes I feel bad for letting him go. I miss him, but his family keeps in touch and he is much happier there. He goes for runs at 6am, and at night. I played with him tons inside and out, but he needed more.He was 4 yrs old. I learned my lesson on having an energenic" job" dog. The dog I have now is more laid back. Less energenic. She's a couch potato
Ok I don't really know for sure, but even the evaluator behaviourist could tell that she was.

What evaluator behaviorist? And what could s/he tell specifically?

She just said by the way she acts how hand shy and stuff she is, that someone has done a number on her.
""As for the Pet Psychic, there is a simpsons episode that comes to mind. Did she recommend lots of toys, ... on phone. she knows that my husband is very mellow and quiet., I'venever mentioned him to her. and other things

Most psychics are very good at determining information from talking with people and saying things in general enough terms that people interpret for themselves.
She won't eat her kibble untill night when she knows no one will give her scraps. I can walk with her off leash, and no, I'm not trolling..

And yet you don't respond to my comments about your dog.

You continually refer to your daughter as "child" and "I have a 2 year old human". As a father myself of a duaghter about that age, your phrasing raises very large flags in my mind.
Marcel
I was sitting at chair, dog was really close to me, child came up trying to get attention, child probaby stepped on foot.

"Probably" You need to pay MUCH better attention than you are, and teach your CHILD some manners as well. As in - don't shove your way in and don't step on the dog.
I was struggling with depression badly, he needed more attention and excercise than I could give him, and I felt ... much of training. He came a looong way with his training, I just couldnt stay on top of his dominance.

Do you even know what that means? I suspect, that for many reasons, you got a breed without understanding the high exercise and training needs, and then gave up.
What evaluator behaviorist? And what could s/he tell specifically?

She just said by the way she acts how hand shy and stuff she is, that someone has done a number on her.

Who is "she"? A shelter person? A lot of dogs are hand shy, and not always because of abuse. Nobody does a dog any favors by labeling like this.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
She just said by the way she acts how hand shy and stuff she is, that someone has done a number on her.

You got taken.
My dog Moogli is head shy when you move your hand quickly near his head. Your "behaviourist" might say that someone had done a number on him, except for the fact that I have been around him since he was about 30 minutes old. I will grant you the possibility that my in-laws abused him horribly in that 30 minutes, but I doubt it.

Marcel
sign.

she has a lil bit, like if she was stepped on, but not because she was gettting attention

"like if she was stepped on"? Did she bit or not? If so, what was the context. What you've written here is incredibly vague and even sounds hypothetical.

I'm not sure if she bit or not. I know she barked, she probably just turned her head really fast knocking my child in head. She didn't have any marks that I could see, but she has dark skin and and wouldn't turn red like mine would.
So what you did with your last dog both did wonders and didn't work? I'm assuming it didn't work since ... that means, and so they use it as a general term to describe other behvioral problems that aren't being addressed

Even his new family is having dominance issues. I took him outside to potty,and he lifted his leg on me., he peed on every corner inside and out, If I didn't play with him when he wanted he would bark and growl at me.
With current dog, I've tried a lil bit. But she ... try harder. I was trying to use the N.I.L.F. program.

Again, I* know what that means, but I don't know what *you mean by that.

I was used to training previous dog who loved training sessions. He acted like a puppy when we were done all jumping and excited. Current dog just looks at me like I'm stupid.
Ok I don't really know for sure, but even the evaluator behaviourist could tell that she was.

I seriously doubt that. Most well trained behaviorists wouldn't even bother making an assessment like that. Was this an actual certified Behaviorist, or was this a dog trainer who uses a behavioral approach.

She was with a kennel/humane society where they have training. I called them to see if they had behaviourists and they said they have trainers with expierence and training in behaviour.
She sounds really scared. What did your behaviorist tell you to do to help her work through that?

it was just an evaluation, she didn't get into much. Others say just don't pick her up. But how do I get her into the tub?
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The couch potato part is good, but if there are behavioral issues going on, and if you honestly have issues with depression (which I can truly understand), then this might not be the dog for you..unless you're willing to really WORK hard on this. This dog is showing that she also really needs a job. It might not be a job that requires hours of fetching and running, but a job nonetheless. And its going to requite attention and time on your part. Without time and effort from you, this is not going to go well. If you have both to give, then there might be a chance. If not, then you'd be better off acknowledging that now before she ends up with a bite history.
What evaluator behaviorist? And what could s/he tell specifically?

She just said by the way she acts how hand shy and stuff she is, that someone has done a number on her.

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. This suggests to me that the trainer you had evaluate her is possibly new at this. Hand shyness is NOT an indicator of abuse. A huge numebr of dogs that have never been harmed in their lives are hand shy. In many dogs, its an innate fear that is totally unrelated to bad experiences. To use it as a barometer of abuse is simply misguided.
I agree with what others have posted here. If money is an issue (which I can also understand) then get into a group class. Choose the trainer carefully. Go watch some of the classes of any trainers you are considering before you sign up. Talk to the trainer. Read books. Read "Mine" by Jean Donaldson. Read "The Cautious Canine" by Patricia McConnell. Read them both. Do it now. Do it while you're looking for a class to enroll you and your dog in.
I'm against the pet psychic thing. Its too easy to say "Oh well, she was abused and she feels this way and that way, so I understand why she does what she does" and then use it as an excuse to not CHANGE the dog's behavior. You don't have to know anything like that in order to work on changing what she's doing now.
Now is what matters.
Now is when she might bite your child.
Now* is when she's cowering and crying when you try to handle her. *Now* is when she needs information about what works and what doesn't. *Now is when she is learning what to do..whether or not you are participating in those lessons is going to make a VERY big difference to you down the road.
Tara
And yet you don't respond to my comments about your dog. You continually refer to your daughter as "child" and ... of a duaghter about that age, your phrasing raises very large flags in my mind. Marcel- Hide quoted text -

which comment? I'm getting lost on how this is set up..
Which flags? Maybe I'm just trying not to bring her name into it. I've learned a lot bout message boards and stuff, I've been syberstalked before, so I'm trying not to put out too much info.
I was struggling with depression badly, he needed more attention and excercise than I could give him, and I felt ... that for many reasons, you got a breed without understanding the high exercise and training needs, and then gave up.

yes, that's it. I've learned from it. It was my first time getting a dog myself.
What evaluator behaviorist? And what could s/he tell specifically?

She just said by the way she acts how hand shy and stuff she is, that someone has done a ... dogs are hand shy, and not always because of abuse. Nobody does a dog any favors by labeling like this.

the trainer/behaviourist she called herself. It is a shelter, kennel, training place.
It was the 2nd place I've gone.
I spend money on vet and things she needs, hubby starts grilling me if I need to spend tons at one time. Says I shouldn't have gotten a dog if it's going to cost a ton. In his country, dogs aren't pets, they are for protecting land. So he doesn't understand how we are close to our animals.
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