I just got my puppy which is a Yorktese (mixture of Maltese and Yorkshire terrier) on Thursday August 10th. He is 14 weeks old. I am attempting to litter box train him. I have read books that say that a dog will not defecate in his crate but that is the not happening with my puppy. I can wait for hours and he will not defecate in the box but as soon as I place him in his crate he defecates and urinates.

I have tried blotting his urine and placing it in the box as well as put a small piece of feces in the box.and last night he did urinate once , but this morning and afternoon he is doing in the crate. I am using puppy pads and shredded paper in the box. Please can anyone offer any suggestions.
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I just got my puppy which is a Yorktese (mixture of Maltese and Yorkshire terrier) on Thursday August 10th. He ... will not defecate in the box but as soon as I place him in his crate he defecates and urinates.

My hunch is that he's been allowed, maybe even encouraged, to "go" inside his crate until you brought him home.
That is, he's been classically conditioned to "go" in his crate.

If that's true, the worst thing that you can do right now is to use a crate.
Questions:
Why do you want to use a litterbox?
Where did you get him?
How was he housed there?
I have tried blotting his urine and placing it in the box as well as put a small piece of feces in the box.and last night he did urinate once , but this morning and afternoon he is doing in the crate.

How many hours a day (and night) are you keeping him in his crate?

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I live in massachusetts that can have extremely cold weather and live in an apartment plus my pup isn't going to get very big. so litterbox is my only option if I wish to keep him. I got him from Soo big dog in Joplin missouri. I was told he was in cage with a wire mesh with no housebreaking at all. If I don't crate him how do you suggest that I train him. I can't let him have free access to whole house. He gets crated for about 3 to 4 hours.All the booksI read state he should go right when he wakes which he doesn't . Thanks for any help.
I live in massachusetts that can have extremely cold weather and live in an apartment plus my pup isn't going ... dog in Joplin missouri. I was told he was in cage with a wire mesh with no housebreaking at all.

Sounds like a puppy mill. Do you know what a puppy mill is?

And the fact that he's been used to "going" in his cage for 14 weeks now, it's going to make it much harder for you to housebreak him.

Small dogs like Yorkies are usually much harder to housebreak than most dogs are, even under ideal conditions.
You have your work cut out for you.
If I don't crate him how do you suggest that I train him. I can't let him have free access to whole house.

You can, if you keep a close eye on him.
Many people use a "tether" for this. They keep the dog on a leash (or a piece of rope), and then affix the leash to their waist. It helps them keep an eye on their dog. Where they go, the dog goes. Where the dog goes, they go.
And at night, they tether the dog to, say, the floor, via a swivel hook, etc. A very short tether. It provides much the same effect that a crate would under normal circumstances, i.e., playing on a dog's desire not to "go" where he sleeps, etc.
He gets crated for about 3 to 4 hours.

When? Why?
All the books I read state he should go right when he wakes which he doesn't.

When pups "go" is closely related to when pups eat. Presumably you're feeding your pup 3-4 times a day, right? Well, if you carefully time those feedings ("input"), you can pretty well predict the pup's "output." But pups don't read the same books that we read , and they usually just "go" whenever the urge arises.
And you always want to be there when that urge arises, so that you can correct/prevent him from "going" in the wrong spot, and then pick him up and take him to the right spot to "go."
As far as living in the People's Republic of Massachusetts goes, and in an apartment, many small dog owners manage just fine. They dress their dogs in sweaters, etc. to keep them warm, etc. and the dogs do just fine. Having your dog go outside (preferably on grass, dirt, etc.) requires you to always pay attention to your dog, set time-tables for "going" out, etc. But you should be taking your dog for frequent walks anyway, so why not time them for when the dog is due to "go"? Think of it as a two-fer.
If you didn't want to have to worry about any of this, e.g., taking a dog outside for frequent walks, to "go," etc., maybe you would have been better served by getting a cat instead of a dog?
My hunch is that he's been allowed, maybe even encouraged, ... day (and night) are you keeping him in his crate?

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I got him from Soo big dog in Joplin missouri. I was told he was in cage with a wire mesh with no housebreaking at all.

Which means that they left him in his cage to poop and pee instead of taking him out. In that time, these breeders managed to get rid of his natural tendency to not soil his den, which is the natural tendency dogs have that makes crate training work. Instead, he has been taught that cages/crates are where you pee and poop. This is one of many reasons not to buy from puppymills.
Now that you can't crate train, you are going to have to have the pup with you all the time until he has to poop or pee, then take him to his potty place and then go crazy with praise and treats when he does go in the place you want him to go. You can keep him with you by having him tethered to you with a leash or by carrying him around. Keep an eagle eye out for any signs that he is looking for a spot or heading for his crate (since crate means bathroom to him) and don't let him go anywhere but where you want him to go. Make sure you have his favorite treats available and he only gets them when he pees or poops where you want him to.

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I live in massachusetts that can have extremely cold weather and live in an apartment plus my pup isn't going ... hours.All the booksI read state he should go right when he wakes which he doesn't . Thanks for any help.[/nq]You actually can* crate him, but only for very very short periods at this point, and only when you are *certain* that he doesn't have to potty. Its not the worst idea to retrain him to the crate, but due to his history, you'll have to go slowly and not expect too much from him. 3 to 4 hours is way too long for you to expect to crate a puppy who wasn't housed in one anyway, let alone a pup that was taught he *had to potty in one. So you were overusing it to begin with.

For when you can't keep an eye on him, I'd try gating him in a puppy proof room (a small one, like a bathroom) with access to his litter box on one side, and his bedding on the other. I'd have his crate in there as well, but you may have to actually keep the door closed with him outside* of it for a few days (I usually suggest that people leave the crate door open so they have access, but I suspect this pup would choose to use it as a toilet, so I'd like it around, but *clean..even if its because he can't get in there yet).

If he's not used to the texture of the litter (which I find very* likely), this may also be having a huge impact. So, it may help if you use wee wee pads in the litter box for a while.If you *know he has to potty, bring him to the litter box and stand there with him for a few minutes (if he's trying to leave the area, put the gate up and gate the two of you in there for those few minutes). By "a few minutes" I mean 3-4, NOT 20. If he doesn't go (which he likely won't the first few times), DO NOT put him back in his crate. The way he was raised (in puppy mill fashion) has already confused him enough. Putting him back in the crate at that point will only add to his confusion.

He's small, so you can just pick him up and carry him around for 10-15 minutes. Don't put him down. Seriously. Carrying him will help keep him from "going". After 10-15 minutes has passed, go back to the litter box and try again..for 3-4 minutes. If he doesn't go, do it again. Do this as many times as it takes for him to finally "go" where you've decided he should. Keep in mind, none of this makes sense to him, and whatever instincts he had about keeping his area clean was overridden by being raised in a puppy mill style.

That makes it harder for him to understand what you're trying to convey to him. The main thing to focus on is its your primary job to prevent* him from making a mistake. Sometimes we get to use the crate to help us prevent those mistakes, and sometimes we don't..at least not right away. He should never *ever* enter that crate if you think he might have to go to the bathroom in it. That's where he *already thinks he's supposed to "go". In his mind, he's being a really good boy for holding it when you've put him in that "wrong" place, and waiting until you bring him back to his "potty place".

That he's got this backwards is the fault of his breeder, not the puppy. So take it slow with him, and make sure you've got the time to carry him around a lot until he gets it.
Once you've got him to go potty in the litter box regularly (make sure you give him the world's most amazing treat when he finally does it, IMMEDIATELY after the does it. Have it with you so you can give it to him as soon as he's finished. Chicken or Turkey work wonders for this :-), you can start to reintroduce the crate as a place to stay for longer periods. But now, you can really only use it when you know he absolutely doesn't have to potty at all.
Tara
I live in massachusetts that can have extremely cold weather and live in an apartment plus my pup isn't going to get very big. so litterbox is my only option if I wish to keep him.

How about outdoor-training him for now, and then moving on to the litterbox? It sounds as though he is not yet getting the idea of what the litterbox is for. You might be able to take advantage of dogs' natural preference for certain surfaces. Mowed grass seems to be popular, while some of the dogs I train like to go on the pine bark mulch that surrounds our landscaping.
If you can get him "going" on cue, somewhere other than his crate, IMO you are making progress. Then you can start associating the puppy pee pads, torn paper or whatever with the place you successfully get him to "go," and use that association to teach him to use the litter box.
You have some time before it gets cold, even if you're in the Berkshires where I lived once upon a time.
Amy Dahl
I just got my puppy which is a Yorktese (mixture of Maltese and Yorkshire terrier) on Thursday August 10th.

Sigh.. why oh why..
He is 14 weeks old. I am attempting to litter box train him. I have read books that say that a dog will not defecate in his crate but that is the not happening with my puppy.

You have a few things working against you - a toy mix and probably the conditions he was raised in up until the time you got him.
I can wait for hours and he will not defecate in the box but as soon as I place him ... in the crate. I am using puppy pads and shredded paper in the box. Please can anyone offer any suggestions.

The dog litter is supposed to work better. You have a lot of work ahead of you. Get a very, very small crate. Do not put bedding in it. Use it for overnight and if you are gone ONLY. Hope you aren't gone long, as a tiny mixed breed puppy needs frequent meals and outings. You'll also need to get up at least once, possibly twice, during the night.
Set a schedule. Measured, scheduled meals. Close supervision. Taking to his litter box after he wakes, after he eats, every hour when awake. Do not give free access to the litter box at this time, but use it as you would use outdoors.
If he doesn't eliminate as needed, keep him leashed to you and try again in 5-10 minutes. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
I got him from Soo big dog in Joplin missouri. I was told he was in cage with a wire mesh with no housebreaking at all.

Your problem in a nutshell. He was conditioned to eliminate in his cage. Not surprising Ditch the crate, use an x-pen with the box in it and keep to a schedule. And use a leash, gates, doors, supervision.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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