So, I've had to spend a lot more time in the dog run lately, and I've suddenly been inundated with people who tell me all about how much they love CMs shows.
In the interest of science, I save my opinions about his methods for the end of the conversation.
If they like his show, they invariably offer that they've tried his methods and like them (that what they've tried hasn't always worked, or has even had less than great impacts on the dogs seems to be a different issue altogether). At that point, I ask if they ever noticed a disclaimer on the show.So far, no one has said that they saw it. Not one. And this is from asking no less than 10 people in the last three days. When I mention that it *is* apparently there (and that it says to NOT try this without the supervision of a professional), they all got uncomfortable, most recovered from the discomfort immediately and popped out with "I can't see why anyone would need to do that with a professional, I mean, he shows you just how to do it"..and yes, this is a direct quote from one person).

At this time, I point out that Cesar is an amazing* handler in his own right, who may, or may not, even know exactly *why what he's doing works..but that his own skills are so honed that he would have a good effect on a dog, even when someone else doing the same thing might really do damage.

so far, 7 out of 10 walked away basically saying that they like his show, and will continue to apply his techniques to the dogs in their care (5 of these people were dog walkers applying the methods to OTHER people's dogs, by the way). 2 decided to take a class (I wasn't pushing mine, and in fact for one of them, I recommended she speak with Karen Overall for a behavior problem that needs addressing outside of a class setting), and one is interested in watching further with a more critical eye (and promised to look out for the disclaimers.
The woman I met just today has just adopted a 6 month old puppy. She's been looking for puppy classes in the area because she really wants a highly trained dog that she can trust offlead. Apparently people keep telling her not to bother, but tell her to watch his show and she'll learn how to train her puppy.
I've really changed my stance on him* personally over the last couple of months (for the better), but the producers are, IMO, being *really irresponsible if that many people are walking away with the impression that this is a show where you can learn basic dog training skills and apply them to any dog you want.
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So, I've had to spend a lot more time in the dog run lately, and I've suddenly been inundated with ... this is a show where you can learn basic dog training skills and applythem to any dog you want. Tara==

But Cesar is not a dog trainer and does not claim to be one; he is a dog behavior expert and his objective is to help build a healthier relationship between the dog and its owner, and as he puts it, build a contented and more balanced dog, using exercise, discipline and affection. So, for anyone using Cesar's methods for dog behaviour, there is still the necessity for the dog to be obedience trained by a professional dog trainer; one does not negate the other. They're two separate things.
== But Cesar is not a dog trainer and does not claim to be one; he is a dog behavior ... dog to be obedience trained by a professional dog trainer; one does not negate the other. They're two separate things.

You can argue that point forever, but the fact remains that people are clearly misinterpreting that fact far, FAR too often.

Tara
But Cesar is not a dog trainer and does not claim to be one; he is a dog behavior expert

I'd say that's pretty much exactly backwards. He's teaches people how to work with their dogs. He does not do any sort of behavior modification on dogs.
there is still the necessity for the dog to be obedience trained by a professional dog trainer;

I don't know anyone who has a dog that was obedience trained by a professional dog trainer.

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You can argue that point forever, but the fact remains that people are clearly misinterpreting that fact far, FAR too often.

Tara
Not to mention, people watch the show and think he fixes their dogs in under 10 minutes.
I have never seen one of this showes where he doesn't have a dog on a leash laying at his feet in under 5 minutes or walking nicely by his side.
Honestly he makes it all look far to easy. Almost like a magic fix. Sometimes they even put up a timer to show how fast he can make a dog walk correctly next to him, but I never see a timer on the ones that take a long time or won't do it at all.
Does the man ever fail? Has he ever come up against a dog that won't walk for him or lay calmly for him?
My dog was.
I've really changed my stance on him personally over the last couple of months (for the better), but the producers ... this is a show where you can learn basic dog training skills and apply them to any dog you want.

Cesar may be a spectacular handler (he sure seems to have a good touch), but if there is a problem with his show, he is partially responsible for it. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to make phat stax of cash by tarting himself up as some sort of "Dog Whisperer" (whatever on earth that means).
Interesting that the folks you've talked to don't see the disclaimer, and don't understand that this is not a "how to" show. That just underlines the original-original point I brought up about whether it's meant to be entertainment or informational, and how the distinction or lack thereof matters.

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My dog was.

Somehow, that fails to surprise me.

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Does the man ever fail? Has he ever come up against a dog that won't walk for him or lay calmly for him?

fail with the dogs or fail with the owners? does it matter if the dog will walk for him or lay calmly at his feet if it will not do so for the owner?
i remember one episode with a dog-aggro pit mix who would redirect and bite his owner, who was terrified of the dog. cesar came in and taught her to be confident etc etc. she took the dog and her shiny new confident energy out the next day without cesar and... the dog redirected and bit her.
i was especially interested in this segment because i have a dog-aggro pit bull who redirected on me once. my reaction wasn't fear, but i was upset. i was even more upset when several online folks told me that i needed to kill my dog.
my trainer didn't get at all excited about it. her response was to tell me to take fifteen steps back and return to working regularly on desensitizing and attention. i haven't had a problem since.

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