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But as long as John Q. goes to dog shows let him see something besides the barbie collies. Of course, they'll see that over at the obedience ring.

John Q. can just as easily come to sheepdog trials if he wants to see real Border Collies. The last one I went to had literally thousands of spectators, as it was associated with a Scottish/Irish festival. Sheepdog trials are at least as easy to find as dog shows for motivated people.
With that attitude then AKC dogs will = fluffy barbie collies.

At this point, I've stopped caring much what AKC dogs become.

Again, what is wrong with dual registering? The shepherd people that register with USA and/or SV dual register with AKC and no harm, no foul.

As do retriever people and other working dog people, but there are different cultures within different breed communities.

Not everyone equates AKC with only conformation showing. For my prefered sport they are the most widely available and in my area of the country the only one.

For Border Collies, the only advantage AKC offers is that it has a well-developed obedience program. For my preferred sport, their program is almost a joke.
BTW, did someone *** in your wheaties this am?
No, not at all. What, I'm not allowed to disagree with you?

Melanie Lee Chang > Form ever follows function. Departments of Anthropology and Biology >
University of Pennsylvania > Louis Sullivan (Email Removed) >
: BTW, did someone *** in your wheaties this am? No, not at all. What, I'm not allowed to disagree with you?

No, I read your last post as being pissy in tone and didn't know if I was reading it correctly. If not I would have said someone *** in your wheaties, not ask if someone did.
Quite seriously, how do the border collie people plan on putting the genie back in bottle? Or are the ABCA types going to ignore the problem of border collie popularty and just hope it goes away? Since the bc people I know do both registries I don't have the first hand knowledge of how the other breed clubs are dealing with rapid growth in border collies of the farms.

Beth
ABCA

was this the wrong registry/breed club?
rapid growth in border collies of the farms.

ugh, should be off of the farms.
Beth
Quite seriously, how do the border collie people plan on putting the genie back in bottle? Or are the ABCA types going to ignore the problem of border collie popularty and just hope it goes away?
Well, there are a number of different consequences of breed popularity. In addition, the "Border Collie people" constitute a large and heterogeneous constituency. I can't tell you what the "ABCA types" plan to do, because there are a lot of different feelings and ideas about the issue. I can say I don't see what particlar good the act of registering with AKC does in terms of dealing with the problem.

Melanie Lee Chang > Form ever follows function. Departments of Anthropology and Biology >
University of Pennsylvania > Louis Sullivan (Email Removed) >
I can't tell you what the "ABCA types" plan to do, because there are a lot of different feelings and ideas about the issue.

Understandable. I'll have to continue my websearch on bcs and see what, if anything I can learn about this.
Thanks for letting me pick your brains.
Beth
Yep, and guess what? Sometimes judges even put them up!! My friend with the BC *** who mothered the “Porta Collies” has an AKC championship on that smooth coated working farm dog.

My dogs' herding trainer shows her working dogs in AKC, too, and does pretty damn well with them! (She doesn't special dogs no interest. But she does finish them.)

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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Sorry to ramble on, but I didn't expect to have so much passion or for some many personally ethical issues ... its a good sign.. How have any of you dealt with this challenge, or is it unique to me? Darby

Yeah, and with the same breed. But I was fortunate that my dogs came from lines with a work ethic, and my mentor was instrumental in setting up the hunt tests and working tests to prove that the dogs still had instinct. In fact, she had the first CH/MH. Please note, the field bred springer is as extreme as it's show counterpart: they both are bred for a game.
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