Okay, one more time.
Has anyone here actually observed this "illness," or do you know anyone who actually has?
I would sincerely appreciate hearing more about it.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/dogflu.asp

"The New Canine Influenza, Greyhound Disease, Race Flu, Equine Influenza, Avian Flu
"The New Canine Flu, which has killed so many greyhounds is now in the domestic dog population. There is no treatment and no vaccine. It has jumped species, (by feeding greyhounds raw horse meat, which was infected with horse influenza), (horse influenza is avian flu, which jumped species from birds (avian flu), to horses (horse influenza). The avian flu has now moved to racing greyhounds and domestic dogs and the indications are that there may be a potential problem for humans. It is deadly and it is on the loose. It may just be a matter of time. The CDC is watching the disease..."
I remain highly skeptical at this point; I think it's another phony flu scare (yes, I think the avian flu scare is mostly much ado about nothing, too).
But I also have a lot of dogs to worry about...

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French chickens come home to roost:
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"Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison"
Okay, one more time. Has anyone here actually observed this "illness," or do you know anyone who actually has? I would sincerely appreciate hearing more about it. http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/dogflu.asp

Not seen any dogs with it or heard first person accounts of dogs with it.

However, I have talked with several people who have called Cornell Vet School and asked for information. (These are mostly people with training facilities who want to not only have the information for themselves and their students but also to avoid having their training sites become transfer points. Very bad for business.)
They have all gotten the same information - pretty much what snopes had to say. Cornell says that it is real and they have seen cases in central NYS. The suggested treatment is the one mentioned by snopes - early antibiotics. Not that they will help with the flu but to avoid the secondary infections, which appear to be the real problem. Their information is that with early antibiotics, for almost all dogs, it's not a big deal.

The 1% - 5% fatality rate is about what I have heard both from the Cornell information and from the schnauzer groups. They have indicated that no dogs will have any natural immunity to it so any exposure will mean they get it in some form. Obviously, like with human flu, it's more serious for the very young and the very old and those with weakened immune systems.

They suggest not delaying getting your dog to the vet if he develops a cough - and especially if there is a fever - which indicates increased likelihood that it is the flu. Sort of like the same dividing line in people - colds don't give you a high temperature, influenza does.

So, no. No first hand accounts. But it does appear to be real and spreading. I've got it a little higher on my radar than the avian flu threat. But we'll still go to dog class.
~~Judy
"Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison"
Okay, one more time. Has anyone here actually observed this "illness," or do you know anyone who actually has?

Your question made me curious. I've posed it to a schnauzer group that includes a lot of active breed people. Seems like if it's spreading like wildfire that it would have started to affect breed shows by now. So many dogs in such close quarters. And many of them coming from kennel situations.
Will let you know.
~~Judy
Okay, one more time. Has anyone here actually observed this "illness," or do you know anyone who actually has?

Your question made me curious. I've posed it to a schnauzer group that includes a lot of active breed people. ... now. So many dogs in such close quarters. And many of them coming from kennel situations. Will let you know.

Thank you, Judy. I'd really appreciate it.
I know many, many people in the dog world (fellow field-trialers, hunt testers, hunters, kennel operators, vets, trainers, etc.) and I've yet to find one who's actually observed a dog with the "dog flu." They've heard about it, yes, but no one has actually observed a dog with the "dog flu" or knows anyone else who has.
Also, Judy, I refuse to believe that a virus that supposedly originated in birds (producing the "avian flu") can jump a species to the horse (producing the "equine flu", and then jump another species, to the dog (producing the "dog flu"), all in a matter of months.

I smell a rat hear, so I'm expecting to hear reports of an emerging "rat flu" next.
In the Marine Corps, we had a nice, little word for describing situations like the one I think this one is FUBAR.

And I think it adequately describes what's going on today in science and medicine.
It's FUBAR.
And yes, I think Big Pharma is part, if not most, of the problem.

Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison
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The "Religion of Peace," up close and personal:
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Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands!
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
I smell a rat hear

And here, too.

Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison
*gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
The "Religion of Peace," up close and personal:
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020 MemriTV Popup/video 480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=60227&ak=null

Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands!
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
Your question made me curious.

I only know of one confirmed case. Someone on the Dane board had 3 of her 4 dogs get sick. One shrugged it off, two got pretty sick, and one of them (a puppy, IIRC) died. The poster was from Cleveland. A few more people have reported having sick dogs with similar symptoms, and a couple of those dogs have died, but since none of them had any bloodwork sent to Cornell, what exactly these dogs died of remains a mystery.

When I was at the vet's a couple of weeks ago, I asked her whether they have seen any, and she said that so far, they have had one confirmed case.

Suja
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When I was at the vet's a couple of weeks ago, I asked her whether they have seen any, and she said that so far, they have had one confirmed case.

Suja, I'd be interested in hearing exactly how they confirmed it.

Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison
*gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
The "Religion of Peace," up close and personal:
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020 MemriTV Popup/video 480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=60227&ak=null

Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands!
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
Suja, I'd be interested in hearing exactly how they confirmed it.

Both with the Dane person and the vet, they sent bloodwork to Cornell. I'm not sure what exactly Cornell does to confirm the presence of the virus.

Suja
Suja, I'd be interested in hearing exactly how they confirmed it.

Both with the Dane person and the vet, they sent bloodwork to Cornell. I'm not sure what exactly Cornell does to confirm the presence of the virus.

Thanks, Suja.
If anyone knows (or can find out) how Cornell confirms this virus, I'd be very interested in hearing more about it.
PCR, Elisa, Western Blot, whatever.
I hope the folks at Cornell haven't forgotten the merit of using Koch's postulates...

Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison
*gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
The "Religion of Peace," up close and personal:
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020 MemriTV Popup/video 480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=60227&ak=null

Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands!
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
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